So we’ve gone up from 4th Amendment violations to the 5th Amendment. Soon it’ll be 6th, and the 13th is a little shaky.
This shit will happen every day from now on until something is done about it- and complaining doesn’t seem to be the solve.
I hate to admit this but I’m terrified to go beyond complaining. I don’t want to have to fight these fucking ghouls. But I guess the pool of options is evaporating.
I feel ya. But doing noting hasn’t really moved the needle much. Complacency teaches repetition.
And you’re doing what?
Not answering debate bate.
That’s what I thought, deflection, how MAGA of you. You’re not doing jack shit. Stop trying to incite violence when you have no plan to put skin in the game.
That’s what I thought, debate bate.
And would you look at that! It comes with a bonus MAGA accusation! A two-fer!
I’ll digress…
If it might help you later on, it’s best not to make assumptions based entirely on someone’s unwillingness to argue with you online. It just ends up making you look like a fool. And we really don’t need that now when we’re supposed to be unified.
Just some friendly advice.
Maybe we should twerk in the street some more and keep begging Democrats.
You can’t beg Democrats because you handed the government to Republicans, again.
Left out 1st and 2nd
Due process schmoo fawcess. Who needs it, right? 🙃
If they don’t obey laws neither should we
You’re constitution is worthless when you have an executive branch that doesn’t care about it while having an overly loyal majority support of the legislative and judicative branch.
It also takes complicity from the “opposition” party. Even with the loyalty of the legislative and judicial branch their actions should be moderated by the balancing quality in the Democratic process of “turn around is fair play”.
Meaning that you don’t want to do anything that gives grounds for your opposition to copy if they were to get into power. The problem being that the DNC has shown itself to not have a spine, equating tit for tat politics as beneath their dignity.
fuck right off.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
I get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening. They don’t. They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings.
Why say this when you’re going to spend the rest of the comment making it crystal clear that you think the opposite?
It’s the “I’m not racist, but” of party apologists.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
Over two decades of thirdway politics has no complicity in creating the situation we find ourselves in?
get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
Ohh yeah… Because one valid complaint is constant vitriol? You can fight that strawman instead of making a valid rebuttal if you want to.
The house willing to vote to fund ice is surely a sign of fighting fascist.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
When did I say anything about voting for a third party? Who are you arguing with?
Making valid criticism against any party is important… Most importantly your own. The DNC isn’t going to move away from thirdway centrism unless they hear from it from their own voters.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening.
If dems supported progressive candidates instead of centerist they wouldn’t have lost the supreme court or the legislative branch…
They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
Did I say they hold all the culpability…or are you just arguing against another strawman of your own making again?
Thirdway politics is the reason the Republican party feels emboldened enough to be fascist in the first place. When the common people can’t differentiate between the two parties because both sides are just looking out for the top tax bracket then they are going to only care about punishing scapegoats.
Why are you apologizing for them? They’ve dropped the ball in too many ways to list.
ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations
President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs
Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress
Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge or the dems had SCOTUS, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
They were working for the people because the people (who voted for Trump) wanted immigration enforcement.
They were representing their people, maybe foolishly. They were making sure there was no valid reason to vote for Trump, thinking that the vote would go logically.
Instead the vote went to propaganda and memes.
So to you “immigration enforcement” is a valid reason?
This is basically hating Hitler, not because the whole genocide thing, but because he was so undemocratic.
We know that now
If any group has zero rights, all it takes to remove anyone’s rights is attaching them to that group.
It’s an all or nothing thing
If one of us us chained, none of us are free.
So, if we ignore that 4th amendment violation and note how often this administration violated the 1st amendment, I will note that 1 + 5 + 6 + 13 = a 25th amendment solution.
You can’t argue that math! (Literally, it can’t be argued with!)
The numbers don’t lie
I won’t argue with you on that math… but unfortunately the pedophile certainly can argue against the 25th… he is unfortunately livid enough to deny it.
Livid, or lucid?
Either way, there isn’t anyone in the executive with a spine, so the 25th is never going to happen, anyway.
The only way the fascist pedo will be removed is via impeachment and force, or on Jan 20, 2029, but again likely by force. And the only way impeachment would happen is if Dems get a majority in the House (could happen) and exceed 2/3 majority in the Senate which is unlikely to happen.
There is another way. God has the final veto on his performance, after all. Perhaps He will send His Last Cheeseburger soon, to redeem us all.
God
That has as much likelihood of existing (and caring) about as much as there being a next (fair) election.
*hamberder
Ah yes lucid. Im too livid to be lucid enough to use correct terminology. Thanks.
Not lucid, but no one who has the legal power to invoke it wants to threaten what they’re getting from him staying in position. It’s not just Trump; I’d say that he isn’t the real problem, just a symptom allowed to persist because of the rot elsewhere.
100%. Rot is everywhere. And while it began decades ago, it was exponentially sped up due to the Citizens United decision.
Why even talk about any constitution when your government doesn’t care about any laws?
“I don’t know whether they’re incompetent or if they chose to do this, but it’s not good.”
In my local jail, it can take up to a week to be able to call someone but typically more like 3 days. This is because the phones in the holding cells are often broken, so you need to wait until after bail is set and you go upstairs, and then they charge money to make the calls. Meaning, if you don’t have an account already set up, you’re going to have to wait until someone is willing to show you how to set it up. That’s just for regular criminal issues.
When someone requests an attorney, all questioning stops dead. If they continue on, it becomes fruit of the poisonous tree.
Believe it or not but most cops aren’t as virtuous as Stabler and don’t have a pretty blonde DA around to challenge them over what they would be willing to do to seek justice. And a “good” attorney can often work around that.
But also, that doesn’t change anything. From skimming the article, it sounds like he wasn’t being interrogated without a lawyer. He was just being left to languish in confinement. Which… is how the us legal system “works”.
This is less “ice are bad” and more “all cops are bastards”
If they continue on, it becomes fruit of the poisonous tree.
so just shoot them or strangle them in holding. That’s what is going on.
Obviously, this is why you should keep your habeas attorney on retainer at all times. (/s)
Private Police in action paid for by the taxpayer.
Lets just accept that none of these people know what a person rights are. Even if they do they know they don’t have to honor them. Their denial of basic rights make them criminal but once again no lawful agency will act to stop it. In these circumstances there will eventually be a massacre. One that no lawful agency will act on except to punish those that are not state supported participants.
They want a civil war thinking that they can kill half of us and still have a functioning country.
