There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
I get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening. They don’t. They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
Over two decades of thirdway politics has no complicity in creating the situation we find ourselves in?
get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
Ohh yeah… Because one valid complaint is constant vitriol? You can fight that strawman instead of making a valid rebuttal if you want to.
The house willing to vote to fund ice is surely a sign of fighting fascist.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
When did I say anything about voting for a third party? Who are you arguing with?
Making valid criticism against any party is important… Most importantly your own. The DNC isn’t going to move away from thirdway centrism unless they hear from it from their own voters.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening.
If dems supported progressive candidates instead of centerist they wouldn’t have lost the supreme court or the legislative branch…
They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
Did I say they hold all the culpability…or are you just arguing against another strawman of your own making again?
Thirdway politics is the reason the Republican party feels emboldened enough to be fascist in the first place. When the common people can’t differentiate between the two parties because both sides are just looking out for the top tax bracket then they are going to only care about punishing scapegoats.
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge or the dems had SCOTUS, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
They were working for the people because the people (who voted for Trump) wanted immigration enforcement.
They were representing their people, maybe foolishly. They were making sure there was no valid reason to vote for Trump, thinking that the vote would go logically.
fuck right off.
There’s room for real discussion of the democrat’s failings. This in particular did not make it into that cup.
I get what you’re trying to do with constant vitriol aimed at dems around every corner. We’re still going to work to defeat the fascists with or without you.
There is no third party that’s going to win in 2028 or 2030. Ranked choice is great, but we’re still just working on continuing fptp for an election or two. We have immediate problems that need to be dealt with, and intentionally or unintentionally, you’re not helping.
If the Dems had control of the Supreme Court OR the Executive OR Congress, this wouldn’t be happening. They don’t. They hold some culpability for that, but they’re not directly responsible for every shitty thing the nazis do.
Why say this when you’re going to spend the rest of the comment making it crystal clear that you think the opposite?
It’s the “I’m not racist, but” of party apologists.
Over two decades of thirdway politics has no complicity in creating the situation we find ourselves in?
Ohh yeah… Because one valid complaint is constant vitriol? You can fight that strawman instead of making a valid rebuttal if you want to.
The house willing to vote to fund ice is surely a sign of fighting fascist.
When did I say anything about voting for a third party? Who are you arguing with?
Making valid criticism against any party is important… Most importantly your own. The DNC isn’t going to move away from thirdway centrism unless they hear from it from their own voters.
If dems supported progressive candidates instead of centerist they wouldn’t have lost the supreme court or the legislative branch…
Did I say they hold all the culpability…or are you just arguing against another strawman of your own making again?
Thirdway politics is the reason the Republican party feels emboldened enough to be fascist in the first place. When the common people can’t differentiate between the two parties because both sides are just looking out for the top tax bracket then they are going to only care about punishing scapegoats.
Why are you apologizing for them? They’ve dropped the ball in too many ways to list.
200 NGOs Oppose Biden’s Historic Expansion of ICE Detention System: “Detention should not be about politics.”
ICE records show Biden admin plans could give Trump a head start on deportations
President Biden Signs Anti-Immigrant Spending Bill Reaching Trump-Era Highs
Biden’s Emergency Funding Proposal Seeks $14 Billion for Immigration System From Congress
Tom Homan - Border Czar was originally appointed by Obama
Keep in mind, these democrat moves to bolster ICE were happening while the right was blatantly telegraphing their moves to immediately weaponize ICE once they took power. Project 2025 came out and promised to use ICE to plunder and abuse Americans. Biden and team then spent the next 4 years not only failing to prepare for Trump, but preemptively strengthening the mechanisms Trump would eventually use to carry out project 2025. The democrats are controlled opposition.
Sure, maybe we wouldnt be seeing this intense of immigration enforcement if Kamala were in charge or the dems had SCOTUS, but if she were, she’d be working behind the scenes to ensure the right had all the tools they needed when the time was right.
The democrats are controlled opposition and the American electoral system is kabuki theater. The fascist descent is the only logical conclusion to the American political experiment- which was predicated on the wholesale genocide of Native American Indians and quickly pivoted to enslaving an entire continent.
You realize what the only logical conclusion to your “pragmatic liberal utilitarianism” is, right? I give it 4 years before youre chiding leftists for not voting for dem candidate Ted Cruz as he campaigns against republican candidate Mecha Hitler. Youll still see nothing wrong with that. You will sell out the victims of American Imperialism to buy yourself 4 more years of political waffling - just as you did with Palestinians.
They were working for the people because the people (who voted for Trump) wanted immigration enforcement.
They were representing their people, maybe foolishly. They were making sure there was no valid reason to vote for Trump, thinking that the vote would go logically.
Instead the vote went to propaganda and memes.
So to you “immigration enforcement” is a valid reason?
This is basically hating Hitler, not because the whole genocide thing, but because he was so undemocratic.