Still waiting for a Western news source to call the US administration terrorists.
Acting surprised after seeing the unlimited support by USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, UAE, India, China, Russia, Ukraine support for genociding the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank is funny to me.
Now we see Canadian and Mexican afraid to even call the US out because no one will come to rescue them if the US did the same. And they deserve it.
Nothing lower to me than killing children and babies, so my expectations are non existing for such government and people.
Just stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein and Trump please.
Murders.
This headline needs to change.
US military murders 80 people an illegal raid on foreign soil.
If venezuela had nuclear weapons none of this would have happened.
Fuck the USA.
Does that include the boat murders ?
“But they’re celebrating.”
Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.
But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who’s crashing his own nation’s economy and violating his own citizen’s rights.
Trump is still a pedophile. Don’t forget that. This is not a distraction from the Epstein files.
RIP International law.
They never existed because we never had a real international police to enforce them. They kinda felt real because the US kinda acted like this police.
Team America: World Police was a documentary.
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
Wasn’t it RIP with Iraq? Or Afghanistan? Or Vietnam?
So the thing about Iraq is that:
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Bush enacted the NATO articles after 9-11 but couldn’t prove which country was responsible so while the troops were rallied there was no actual NATO response just voluntary support.
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Bush, Cheney, and the CIA managed to grub up a bunch of images of Aluminium Tubes that the CIA swore up and down were used in the production of nuclear weapons, and this case was presented to Congress to gain support for the war.
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The same arguments were presented to the UN prior to the invasion.
Comparing Trump’s weekend getaway trip to that is disingenuous to its core, congress and largely the American people had absolutely no part to play in his insanity, and normalizing it or pretending there won’t or shouldn’t be repercussions for that helps nobody except for Donald Trump.
This is a childish and wrong way of understanding politics. “Orange man bad”, although a true statement, doesn’t explain USA geopolitics, which are largely bipartisan.
You say congress played no part, yet most of congress (even most democrats) don’t condemned the actions themselves, only the lack of protocol followed. Half of EU politicians are celebrating too.
I myself don’t condemn the action itself, Maduro had it coming and so do all the other anti-democratic despots of the world. I place the greater good of all future people above my own comfort.
But Trump should be punished just as any other president should, this is not their power to do.
The entire purpose of economic sanctions on Venezuela is to prevent free elections, because free elections gave rise to the Bolivarian revolution. This is not me making it up, this is literally the US policy as said by themselves with economic sanctioning:
- The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).
2.There is no effective political opposition.
3.Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.
4.Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.
5.Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.
6.The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.
If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
By arguing about elections without taking sanctions into account, you’re just being a CIA stooge
I can’t tell if you’re being facetious of if you actually think Venezuela is Cuba? After Cuba aligned with the USSR at the height of the cold war and became a single party dictatorship, economic suppression seems like a tame response. You realize they almost set off WWIII?
I feel like support for Castro would plummet harshly if any opposition were allowed on it’s soil, but it was not.
The document: Cubans are overwhelmingly in support of communism, so we need to starve them
The most “democratic” westerner: OF COURSE WE STARVED THEM, THEY DIDN’T HAVE TWO PARTIES
Just so you know: US + EU economic sanctions have murdered 38 million people in the past 50 years, and continue to murder half a million yearly. “Tame suppression”
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Hawaii - 1950
Still occupied to this day
Barbary Wars - 1801
*International Suggestions
Yes, exactly, and if the USA can do what they please why should other countries comply with it? It creates a dangerous precedent and an example for other authoritarian regimes. And I am afraid that Venezuela is just the beginning.
Venezuela is not the beginning. America has always been a terrorist state. You just have the memory of a goldfish.
Calvinball-based international order
Everybody with nukes does as the please. US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel…
Everyone who abuses their power suffers economic repercussions at a minimum, militaristic repurcussions via the funding and arming of their opponents in some cases, but the precedent here being set is China asking “if the world won’t defend you, why should you defend the world?” It’s a dangerous warmongering idea that unfortunately might be taking root.
The US hasn’t really suffered any serious consequences, yet. Similar to China. Russia didn’t until Ukraine, before that they messed in Chechnya, Georgia, etc with impunity. I don’t see anyone coming to the aid of Tibet or the uyghurs either, China is pretty scot free.
Technically, Russia saw a lot of pushback over Crimea which directly predated the rest of Ukraine.
Very very minor. Some strongly worded letters and symbolic sanctions. They could have kept crimea and most of the donbas and in a decade things would have gone back to normal.
and Ukraine only because it borders Europe
Some would argue 'is in Europe "even.
This is being very common with everything related to US. Ecuador invaded Mexican embassy and now this.
Fuck America, let them suffer, make them burn, especially the current administration.
It’s not just the Republicans tho. Obama bombed 8 countries in a year in 2016.
We’re not blaming Biden anymore? Was there a memo I haven’t seen going around or something. I’m always out of the loop on who to blame for trump’s fucked up doings.
To be clear, American meddling in Latam is not something that Trump introduced or invented.
Trump’s recent meddling and murder in Venezuela is the culmination of two hundred of years of American foreign policy that both Democrats and Republicans have condoned at the behest of their corporate overlords. The Venezuela debacle is not a Trump thing. It’s an American thing that has its roots in the Monroe doctrine, and yes, including Obama.
Soooooooo, Biden is off the table now is what you’re saying. Fuck, that memo must keep getting lost in transit.
Bombing a country isnt inherently a bad thing. Those strikes were conducted with the support of regional allies against terrorist orgs. But I know people like you never miss an opportunity to take attention away from Trump and point it towards democrats.
That actually says the opposite. That link says that Obama didnt intend to strike the hospital nor did the general and it was struck due equipment malfuntion and the info relayed to the strike crew causing it to get identified as a similar looking Taliban-controlled building. So a lower level chain of command and procedure failure. Operating in that theater and ordering those strikes was still the correct thing to do.
You can even look at the response once they realised the mistake. Trump’s admin would never do anything close to that.
Imagine not reading past the first paragraph of “proof” you provide. Glad I’m not them. Wild world.
Do not absolve the past administrations, do not absolve the future administrations, canada, europe, russia or china. Fuck the global north.
All European leaders have done since the abduction of Maduro and massacre of 80 people in Venezuela “monitoring” the situation. Europe is complicit. So you’re not wrong. Not sure why people are down voting.
If I had to guess, it would probably be because what they said was the equivalent of “fuck every country, fuck everyone”.
If I said that, for example, I’d probably be downvoted too.
I said something bad about every major country in the anglosphere of the internet, downvotes are to be expected.
We can’t even get a handle on our current administration who the leader is a known pedophile, murderer, rapist, grifter, and all around POS.
Trump kidnapped a foreign leader. Let that sink in.
who is America? certainly you don’t mean its people
edit: suck my extreme balls
Yes. The 77.3 million who chose Trump, as well as those who were too lazy to bother voting.
Collectively they can get fucking rekt.
So, what about the 75 million other Americans who voted for Harris?
Now is maybe not the time to throw “not all men” around.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove to the rest of the world yourself an ally in a global fight against fascism taking command of the largest military on the planet.
Now is the time to actively resist and prove
I’m too busy enjoying the catharsis of watching them cry about suffering the consequences. It’s crab mentality for sure, but they deserve this suffering.
As long as they do nothing to unite and just hope someone else does something for them, I’m not sure what use you think they are to me?
Well see, they’re going to vote blue again this year and again in 3 years. Because that’s worked so fucking well the last 8 times
it did work well. Joe Biden was the last president and he was a damn good one.
doubt
No, the fridges and washers. Some toasters, too.
How many times I heard that it’s ok to murder Palestinians because I’m 2006 they voted for the party that got rid of Israeli settlements.
meanwhile the American people are not responsible for the guy they voted a second time last year?
every conservative voter is directly complicit with those murders, and ideally they should face justice, and every liberal is also complicit because the Dems are useless and also do this bullshit.
Only reply I’ll accept is that the US is not a democracy, barely even a pretend one. it’s a theater for the rich to do as they please. but I’ll still blame the Americans for not providing enough pushback.
almost every other nation would have revolted. Americans are exceptionally meek bootlickers.
Are you asking that in good faith? The Maga trash for certain, though. And people who don’t take direct action, or any action.
Fuck off calling it an “operation”
Yes, very Russian. It’s America’s own “special military operation”.
Or like when the Korean war was called a “Police Action”
It is 100% an act of war, it’s even a very obvious indisputable act of war. Yet we see European leaders refusing to call it so. 😡
A war crime and a terrorist operation.
Can’t really call it a war if the other side is barely fighting back. It’s just bullying and terrorism.
War crimes apply regardless whether a conflict is international or even whether it’s a declared war. The US never declared war in Vietnam, but nobody can deny the My Lai massacre was a war crime.
Europe is America’s bitch. Europeans aren’t ready to accept it yet lol
They’re dogs and vassals of the empire. Of course they aren’t biting the hand that feeds.
I doubt it’s just the Israelis who have compromision photos of top European politicians fucking little kids that they got using operations like Epstein’s.
Of course not Russia does too, what I was saying was that CIVILIZED countries don’t behave like that.
Yeah, well, look at Britain which had a massive demonstration of half a million people against the Genocide in Gaza and yet their supposedly “leftwing” “moderate” government is arresting people for “terrorism support” when they demonstrate against it.
The people ARE civilized, it’s their elites (political or otherwise) which are unreformed barbarians by comparison, especially in those countries were the structures of power mean such people have been an entrenched and unchallenged elite for generations.
So I would say that the countries are CIVILIZED, however they’re controlled by elites whose minset is still the same as the ancient monsters from the past (hence why, for example, British governments and Press have a mindset of colonialism towards the outside and “born to rule” towards their own citizens whilst German governments and Press support the Genocide of a “lesser people by a greater people” and both deploy authoritarian means to suppress dissent even tough they’re supposedly Democracies).
This is also why I expect plenty of members of those elites will have broken the ultimate tabu of our era - they have the same principles of the ruling elites of centuries past, feel themselves above the law and firmly believe everybody else are nothing more than tools for their own personal upsides - including pleasure - and for many that would include children.
PS: As I see it, the solution for the problems in Democracies is MORE Democracy (more transparency, more accountability, more independent oversight, more variety and change) but we’re going in the opposite direction and the actions of the ruling elites in the US and the support from the political elites in certain countries for that all matches with the moving away from Democracy towards Might Is Right and Authoritarianism
I 100% agree with that last part but:
The people ARE civilized,
Not really, if the British people were civilized they would have introduced democracy instead of the bullshit excuse they have for it now.
And they would have removed the house of lords which is an extremely undemocratic and moronic institution.In Danish Lord and lort are very close verbally, and lort means shit. So to me it’s the shit house.
But that’s not the only problem, first past the post is also undemocratic and is creating a system dominated by 2 parties that take turns governing, this is not democracy but at best a deeply dysfunctional democracy, and is as bad as USA only realistically having 2 options when they vote.
UK is so behind as a society, compared to other Western European countries, the only way they may appear good is by comparison to USA. UK inherited a strong economy from the early days of industrialization, and the colonies, without that UK would have been as poor and backwards as Ireland was prior to joining EU.however they’re controlled by elites
In UK that is way more the case than other European countries, because the population accept it. The continued existence of the house of lords is clear evidence of that.
But again ONLY because the population is accepting it. No other European country will have you arrested for peaceful demonstrations, and I agree it’s an atrocity that this continues under a labour government. And I agree it is a result of the people having lost power because democracy in UK isn’t working.
Yet the solution is only a few hundred kilometers away, with plenty examples of better democracies in Europe, IMO especially the Scandinavian model.First I mainly agree with you: I lived in Britain as in immigrant for a decade, which was preceded by a decade living in The Netherlands, and my opinion of Britons (especially the English, more so their upper middle class and above) is very negative by comparison with my opinion of the Dutch in general and my impression of British society by the time I left was basically “The country of Europe closest to Fascism, only it’s disguised with posh bollocks from posh people with a posh accent”.
However this shit the current government is doing there of arresting people demonstrating against the Genocide as “terrorist supporters” doesn’t have the support of most of the population. Further, 1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
It doesn’t prove that most people are quite that good people, but it still seems to me that most aren’t quite as bad as being deemed uncivilized.
As I see it, the point you’re making is really that pretty much the entirety of the non-elites there lack a spine, both as people and as a group - hence not doing much to overthrow the power structures of that country - which is not the same as not being civilized people, though as we can see both path lead to similar outcomes in situations like this one.
Frankly, I couldn’t agree more with that view! Countless experiences I’ve had over there speak of subservience towards the upper classes and even towards society in general (the level of concern with “what will other people think of me” there, especially amongst Middle Class women, is quite extreme when compared with, for example, the Dutch) and maybe explains why they’re so good at Theatre: a lot of people over there spend their lives behind a thick complex façade so it’s unsurprising when so many make a hobby and even a profession from it.
Further, they’re relentlessly indoctrinated with both Nationalism and Respect For Authority (in other words, for the elite dynasties) by the local Press, which is maybe why the Brits are actually the least trusting in the local Press of all of Europe.
However, lack of a spine - which in my opinion is mainly a learned trait from growing up in such a society - though not exactly positive in Psychological and Freedom terms, isn’t the same as being uncivilized.
1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
Yes there are some, but it’s a minority, you have to judge a country by the majority and their government. Because those are the ones representing the country.
There can be exceptions where the people are oppressed, with military force, but UK is NOT such a country.both as people and as a group
No individuals are individuals and have different traits, this is 100% as the group we call UK.
which is not the same as not being civilized people
I would argue that having something like the house of lords is an expression of being uncivilized as a country.
Again the people consist of individuals, but as a group of people we call UK they definitely have traits in their society that are immoral and to me immoral equals uncivilized.Now all countries can have elements that are immoral, the problem with UK is that it has elements that are deeply fundamental to their society, much like USA.
I like Trumps term. He called it a strike.
Two more and he’s out, right?
I fear he is playing bowling, not baseball.
the same NYT that dint bother reporting the attack, because they recieved the info days before it from the trump administration. NYT AND POST are cupable as well.
Crazy that they’d have a tip off before the Congressional Gang of Eight, especially in light of Lucky Palmer’s assertion that Congress needed to be kept in the dark to prevent leaks.
Real “which side are you on, boys?” moment.
President of peace everyone 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
FIFA peace price in shambles
FIFA, that bastion of integrity?
President of paedophilia.
With the actual winner cheering him on!
Leader of the free nation
