Only a jury of their peers didn’t convict them of terrorism. The judge arbitrarily chose to sentence them as terrorists. Your entire edifice is based on a faulty premise.

“They” didn’t hurt that policewoman. One of them did and he should should receive appropriate consequences.

Your tirade about violence is quite silly actually, because it’s far too indiscriminate. The modus operandi of Palestine Action was property damage(*). Placing them in the same category as motherfucking ISIS is simply making a mockery of the principle of proportionality, which is a cornerstone of any liberal democracy.

(*) The incident with the policewoman is not indicative of their modus operandi. They did not hope to affect political change by injuring police officers, the same way that, say ISIS used murder as a political tool of terror. It’s the difference between murder and manslaughter.

That’s because the Middle East Eye is directly run by Qatar’s embassy in London.

Citation needed.

Also, please elaborate on exactly why, even if it were true, that would be so fucking scary.

Free the Palestine Action prisoners!

Remove the shameful judge!

Trump’s spirit is extremely skaven-y. So the Great Horned Rat.

To prepare mentally for if and when Iranians target US civilian infrastructure, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDhuDBjZIkg

Excellent questions, with an absolutely ridiculous expectation to be substantially answered in this thread. Maybe you can go study Education and figure them out then come back and let me know, here’s a great Canadian university https://www.mcgill.ca/education/programs Have a great life.

EDIT: Lol, before you bring out the “you didn’t answer” routine:

Those are implementation questions, not objections to the principle. You scaffold this stuff across years, and you can stagger the depth at which different topics are taught. Not everything needs to be a deep dive. Intro courses exist. For testing, just normal education stuff (essays, source analysis, argument reconstruction, debate, projects, exams). And about the politics: curricula should be criticizable from many perspectives, and then ministries, school boards, teachers, and curriculum committees can make decisions. Not every objection gets a veto.

Sure. Some Plato is fine. Also Aristotle, basic propositional logic, informal fallacies, media literacy, source evaluation, the scientific method, how statistics can mislead, how historical claims are argued, and how to distinguish evidence from assertion. Boring stuff that you somehow will now paint as a leftist atheist indoctrination.

If you want a concrete answer: I want the version of critical thinking taught in introductory logic. The kind that gives teenagers the vocabulary to look at your responses and immediately identify:

• A strawman: turning civic education into “indoctrination.”
• An impossible standard: demanding absolute, universal neutrality before any high school curriculum can exist.
• Smuggled premises: assuming I represent some “you folks” and some “modern liberal/leftist” bogeyman.
• Bad-faith questioning: endlessly demanding an answer while ignoring the answer already given.

You’re right that there are many schools of thought. But the baseline ability to distinguish an argument from a rhetorical trap is not some exotic ideological doctrine. It is exactly the kind of thing public education should teach.

Have a good one.

Because you’re trolling, bud. We’re talking about high school education and you’re making manifestos on relativism. Studies in Education have a mainstream, and teaching teenagers basic critical thinking skills really isn’t the ideological battlefield you’re making it out to be. You have an axe to grind against “modern liberal/leftism atheism”, go grind on your own, I’m done here. Cheers.

At this point? I want whatever “version of truth” most annoys you personally. I mean honestly. Cheerio.

American exceptionalism is a cancer and must be stamped out.

Oh but that would be “terrorism”.

We are talking about public schooling. Any system has to make choices about what counts as education, and someone will always call those choices “indoctrination.” Your extremist relativism makes public education policy impossible. In favour of what, exactly? Universal homeschooling? Go touch some grass, please.

Ah yes, indoctrinating people into… critical thinking, historical literacy, and the ability to argue in good faith. A terrifying agenda.

Here’s an idea: education should not be about jobs, it should be about raising the next generation of citizens to take over being Humanity in this world. Or maybe I’m too Greek and bought too much in this idea of “paideia”.

A bit more practically, I like Quebec’s CÉGEP system. Not everyone ends up to university but almost everyone at least gets a taste.

I think the problem is entirely structural. The categories are wrong, they are construed as “levels”, ie, ranks, therefore they are interpreted directly as a social ordering, which causes parents to push for their kids not be classes in “lower” levels. Why not just have education open for everyone and have in the same curriculum options for both Latin and Blacksmithing?

“Hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, and criticize after dinner” and “every cook must learn how to govern the state”.

From around the age of 12, Dutch pupils are streamed into one of three secondary tracks, based on teacher recommendations and primary-school test results:

VMBO - the practical route that usually leads to vocational training HAVO - which typically leads to universities of applied sciences VWO - the academic route to research universities

The system is controversial, with critics warning that early streaming can disadvantage some children and be detrimental to a young person’s self-esteem.

And it does. People are convinced they are not smart for life because of some classification when they were at elementary school. I’ve met Dutch people who were acting all impressed that I went to university as if I’m some kind of genius.

Yes the support vocational education gets is great but I don’t see why kids need to be sorted like this at such an early age, especially since in a society that is not free from capitalist privilege family and background will play a big role. An egalitarian system would place all kids in the same stream and offer pathways within it.

Oh you mean like the British did to the Boers. What were those “terrorist prisons” called again? And remind me, what did those inspire?

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