Independent Senator Bernie Sanders floated Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a potential presidential candidate in the 2028 elections, saying that even though it’s “her decision to make,” she is a “very, very good politician.”
Speaking to Axios, Sanders said that he has been “out on the streets with her” and noticed how she responds when people come up to her. “It’s so incredibly genuine and open.”
Ocasio-Cortez is seemingly positioning herself to run for higher office, whether it is challenging Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer for his seat or to make a run for president.
A female president of a normal age would be an amazing change for the US. Why does it always have to be geriatric males?
Don’t!
I like her. It’s not time.
Naw, it’s always time. If she doesn’t win, that’s good practice and she can remind others what to learn from the other choice and run again.
If she doesn’t win we are all fucked (assuming we’re not already fucked and we even get to have another election).
I know this sounds retarded, but if Texas doesn’t turn blue we are all fucked. Why would I say that? Because they fucked up the gerrymander data and have razor thin districts now. If there isn’t a huge push against Republicans I am not sure if we will have another chance of fair elections.
To get her elected we will have to fight the oligarchs, Israel, the Republicans and the Democrats. But I’m with her. I’d vote for her and Crockett.
I would like to say: clinton didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she’s a sleazeball. harris didn’t lose because she’s a woman, she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason. AOC can win because she’s not a sleazy right winging neolib. I’d vote for her for president.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but don’t underestimate the role of misogyny. A commentator on a podcast i listen to was in the US in the run-up to the last election and they said that something they heard over and over again in the people they talked to was variations on “i hate Trump and everything he stands for, but i couldn’t trust the country to a woman”
I had one friend like this. Basically all he talked about was how much he hates Trump, then come election he said he wasn’t voting at all because “Trump is bad, but Harris is worse because she’s a woman”.
In the sake of honesty, it wasn’t just that. He also said a few times that she’s worse than Trump because she claimed to be from a working class family, but almost always it was that she was a woman that was his reasoning.
she lost because she was courting the right wing for some reason
That certainly had a decent effect. She was an easy target. She’s not white, she’s a woman, Right there you lost almost the entire right. She was trying to court the Jews when Israel was ready to go to bed with trump. She was a 11:59pm changeover for a sick president that was already making some questionable calls. Most of what she was doing wasn’t wrong or bad, but it was easy to attack and impossible to defend.
2025 Project was being installed and is being orchestrated by professional incredibly well funded politicians with incredible levels of oligarch backing. No matter what she would have done, anything but an all out blue wave would not have stopped them.
But it won’t matter in the next election, they’re ready to read from the Russian playbook. It’ll be a mock election. Most of the republicans and a lot of the dems are complicit. Even if the left were to get in (0 change imo) they would just call in some left sleepers to switch the power back, we’re well and properly baked.
AOC can win because she voted against the rail unions. This pleases the donors
Give me the most balls left big balls fucking make my day powerful bitch we got. We have SO MUCH bullshit to undo and redo.
If it’s AOC, she better do it right.
If the democrats actually nominate her it will be because she has stopped doing it right.
Give me the most balls left big balls fucking make my day powerful bitch we got
one of us is having a stroke
Give me the most-balls left big-balls fucking make-my-day powerful-bitch we got
XD Is that better?
Better than
Give me the most balls-left big balls-fucking make my-day-powerful bitch-we-got
Not only Godzilla but also his children? Have some mercy!
Crockett. I think she has the right energy and confrontation attitude we need.
I think AOC is perceived as a brat by most of the right and it is thus unlikely she could win. I’d love for her to win, but it won’t be her.
I really don’t understand the comments on these types of posts. Everyone is like “she should do the Senate I’m not sure she’s right/ready for president”. Why? Our current president is an 80 year old pedophile, our previous president was an 80 year old likeable moron…
You guys don’t want change you want you return to the status quo.
she should do the Senate
Trump has shown this step isnt strictly necessary.
You don’t understand it? I’ll make it real simple for you: if we don’t win then it doesn’t matter how “not status quo” our candidate was. We need the candidate who will remove the 80 year old pedophile and his whole pedophile party.
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Well, surely the right wing democrats will “vote blue, no matter who”, right? I mean Biden got already elected , even though he was clearly unfit, maybe it’s time somebody that isn’t on their deathbed gets into office.
There is no such thing as a right wing democrat unless that person has brain damage.
I saw that Biden 2020 got almost 9 million more votes than Harris 2024, and I’m left without any rational explanations except for the bias and stupidity of voters.
There is no such thing as a right wing democrat unless that person has brain damage.
Compared to Europe, the democrats are definitely right-wing, not even centric. They are very neoliberal and capitalist. Those are all very right-wing ideas. The republicans are currently in the same class as the radical right which is unfortunately making inroads in Europe. But America doesn’t really know a real left except perhaps Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, and it’s been shown that establishment democrats don’t really have the appeal they need to do so. No one gives a shit because they aren’t representing their desires. They’re representing, at best, status quo. If you haven’t noticed that’s not exactly popular at the moment.
Has it? Biden thoroughly beat Trump. The Kamala was thoroughly beaten.
Biden is very much so establishment
that’s not exactly popular at the moment.
That’s exactly the question. I personally thought in 2024 that a paedophile, senile 80yo felon who already lost an election (even from the incumbent position) already wouldn’t be exactly popular either, but here we are.
US presidential elections are so unpredictable, because there’s only two actual candidates in the race, since there’s no run-off or anything like that. There’s no real way to know what’s exactly popular at the moment until it’s too late.
Did Harris lose because she’s a black woman? Did she lose due to unpolar positions? Did she lose because of poor campaign management? Did she lose because russian bots helped Trump? Did she lose because people “had enough of woke”? Did she lose because people just love dementia?
It’s really hard to know, and likely its all of the above to certain degree.
But establishment democrats demonstrated they did have the appeal they need to do so, when Biden won, when Obama won, when Bill Clinton won. Even when the Democrats lost, it was to a plurality or to an EC victory.
When we ran Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, or Kamala Harris, the general election voters rejected them.
Hi! Welcome to the present! It’s 2025, did you just arrive?
Yes, I’m sorry I was late, I was fucking your mother in the past when she wasn’t fat.
I don’t think it’s a matter of her being ready, I think it’s that she has a real chance of beating schumer, whereas with the presidency, I’m not even sure she could even manage to win the primary. If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
To be a latina woman in her 30s would be a definite pick for a presidency over a geriatric male (let’s be honest, I like Bernie Sanders but he is very old).
For such a job you’d want someone in their prime age with sharp attention span, with a forward-looking vision, not back. With multicultural experience to better communicate with the rest of the world.
I’m not an American so I can’t vote but I would definitely pick her out of those two.
Honestly, I think she has a great chance. People didn’t not vote for Hillary because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody. People didn’t not vote for Harris because she was a woman. It’s because she represented the establishment and inspired nobody.
AOC is a candidate who seems to actually represent change. She seems to listen to the desires of the people and follow that. She doesn’t just do what the donors demand. She has a chance because she does inspire people to see what could be, not just to repeat what is.
If an old white dude like Bernie couldn’t beat Hilary and Biden, what chance does a Latina woman in her 30s have?
I mean, if you completely ignore the DNC doing everything legally in their power to get in the way of Bernie and force feed Hilary in the first place… because they can’t allow anyone vocal about actual progressive ideas in a position of party power… yeah that’s what it looks like. But that’s a pretty big thing to just ignore.
I’m not ignoring that, that’s one of the massive hurdles she would have to overcome
Yeah I’m sure if Bernie were given the questions beforehand he wouldn’t have lost by 9 million votes to Biden, a 1:2 ratio. /s
Not legally. The head of the DNC had to resign, and their lawyers argued in court that because they were a private organization they didn’t have to follow their own rules.
No one was prosecuted so it was effectively deemed legal. That’s the end result.
Bernie’s problem was that he wasn’t a democrat. I voted for him but I know a lot of people, like my parents, who are center-left who simply refused to vote for somebody who didn’t caucus with democrats. These are the same people who are already looking at people like Newsom.
Edit for clarification: I understand that the Bernie is considered to caucus with the democrats because he generally votes with them. However, those who used the term disparagingly as I referenced above don’t believe independents can caucus with any party and used that as an excuse to refer to him as a DINO and not caucusing or being required to caucus.
He always caucuses with Democrats. That’s how Dems held the Senate under Biden. Without Bernie they wouldn’t have had their 50. You don’t have to be in the party to be part of the caucus.
I get what you are saying but that’s not what the talking heads meant when they said that.
Those talking heads should probably learn what words mean before they used them then
I take “Caususes with” to generally means “votes more or less in line with” (I know that’s not really everything about it). What definition are you using?
You guys don’t want change you want you return to the status quo.
You have to win to change things bruh. If you can’t focus on that even a little and focus only on what you want in a perfect world , then it doesn’t matter you want because you’ll never win.
All else being equal a white man less than 65 who believe 95percent the same things as AOC will get at least 5 percent more votes just like that, which is the difference between winning and losing.
We want this madness to end and to do that we need to appeal to the same sort of folks who buy Chevy Equinoxes.
Fuck em and fuck that weak shit.
The neoliberals fucked up and can get out of the way forever or we might as well ride this bitch of a species screaming into the abyss.
I totally agree but every damn car looks like an Equinox so I don’t think we can win a popularity contest.
They’re saying this because they are bots
The comments are a classic example of what is actually meant by “You are not immune to propaganda”
At the end of the day, the POTUS is not just a party leader, it is a national (formerly world) leader. That involves being able to at least get SOMETHING out of the other side… unless you are just going to be a fascist dictator apparently.
But you can be damned sure that the news media would immediately attack any Democrat who tried that and lead the lynch mob themselves. So we need someone who knows when to “reach across the aisle” and when to say “Fuck off” because they have enough votes.
Traditionally? The Senate is a great place to learn how to do that. Because there are only 100 (actually 101) people and almost everyone is an established politician, you have to do a LOT more negotiation to get anyone to vote against party lines (usually by benefiting their constituents). Whereas the House is, historically, where randos show up and we are just lucky if they don’t eat crayons on camera. So “protest votes”/“meme votes” are more common and they are a lot more likely to break party lines because they know they are going back home next year or trying to join a lobbyist firm.
ANY Democrat would be better than the rapist in chief… maybe even fucking fetterman. But a stronger AOC can do a LOT more good down the line… if there is a down the line.
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Being a woman wasn’t why Hillary and Kamala lost. Hell, Hillary had the popular vote, but Congress broke our electoral system in 1929, so that doesn’t matter anymore. So America did choose a woman.
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Under the Constitution of the United States, a person must be aged 35 or over to serve as president. To be a senator, a person must be aged 30 or over. To be a Representative, a person must be aged 25 or older. This is specified in the U.S. Constitution.
The US Constitution does not specify an age requirements for one to serve on the Supreme Court.
There are no specified age requirements to serve in a presidential cabinet —Wikipedia
Trump has proven the constitution doesn’t matter any more.
That’s so weird, I don’t know why I thought someone had to be 43 years old…
Support for what ever she decides is next, although I feel like the senate would be a better step. However the democrats dont really have a face to back that isnt some centerist that thinks its ok to play with the bully after they have taken your lunch money or someone that is older than Wonder Bread ™.
Imagine if AOC remained SML as long as Moscow Mitch.
There’s no path where she becomes Senate Majority Leader. You don’t take the position off the corpse of your defeated opponent.
AOC the SML of the USA
AOC SML or POTUS FTW
The DNC have had 48 senate seats or less for over a decade, only managing the occasional majority leader pick with indpendents like Angus King.
If you don’t want the DNC playing with the bullies; get the bullies voted out of power.
I’m not sold on his face, but I do like the way Pritzker swings a bat. He’s a bit centrist, but at least he’s a fighter.
His problem is he’s a billionaire. But as a stop gap, I think he could work.
At this point, he is a billionaire by choice. He could donate to groups that work towards equitable living for the marginalized, but he doesn’t. He only has a couple billion, but that’s enough to make a very real impact for a lot of vulnerable people. This is very nearly the trolley problem. He can do nothing and let a lot of people die or he can intervene and save most but not all.
As Rush said (the band, not Limbaugh lol), If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
That is also the philisophical crux of The Witcher series (books and games, not the TV show now starring the least-hot hemsworth)
The show was such a disappointment. There was solid source material to work off of, and they just shit all over it. They did Henry Cavill dirty, and dragged the witcher IP through the mud so much so it will probably never be put on screen again to present the actual story.
You never know, Hellboy got 3 different incarnations within 20 years despite having been a relatively unknown property outside of diehard comic readers.
Sadly they got progressively worse.
They are going to basically offer her Chuck’s Senate seat, unopposed, as long as she doesn’t go after the nomination that they have already awarded to Newsom. He’s the Next One Up!
Nooooooo!
He literally pushed to make being unhoused a crime.
Newsom is fine. The right smears him and California almost as much as they did HRC. Don’t go along with their propaganda.
There’s more than just the right’s propaganda here. He’s a better choice than any MAGA, surely, but not the “Dem” I’d want.
Newsom is not fine, fuck that guy
Unfortunately the way the system works, you basically have to vote for who you’d fuck less
The electorate is still as old as hell and won’t like someone younger than them.
That’s why Barrack Obama lost.
I vote yes.
One of the few sitting Dems I’d vote for.
Adorable President with a solid political background and a good head on her shoulders?
YAS QUEEN!!
Just like no Kings, no Queens either.
I think AOC is amazing, but nobody should be a dictator.
I don’t know if AOC is the right pick but I do know she’s closer to the target than Gavin Newsom. Nothing against him, but the Democratic party needs a candidate that can inspire people.
But that’s getting ahead of things. First the american people need to primary ~50% of sitting democrats in the midterms.
There’s plenty to be against Newsome for considering he platformed fascists, attacks the homeless for fun, and isn’t supportive of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think she is smart enough to surround herself with intelligent people. And Newsom seems to have a much bigger ego which is not what I’m interested in, personally.
I’m not sure she has the thunder she had in 2018. BUT If she calls for a general strike in the next 6 weeks, and then starts to be the lead organizer of said strike, she’s my gal. I really hope she learns from Bernie in specifically how he’s organized his national campaigns.
2018 was different I don’t blame her for being more outspoken then. I agree with the other commentor that she should run for senate. She’ make an excellent senate majority leader. If there’s still no female president by 2036 she’d probably be a layup at that point.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US. So that doesn’t factor in for me.
2028, should there be an election, is 100% in play for AOC.
And that actually is my biggest concern with AOC. Pelosi worked hard, from 2018-2020 to ice the FUCK out of AOC. And AOC stayed strong and outspoken. In fact, AOC in some ways was representing real leadership. When AOC ran again, won again, Pelosi instead of resisting, worked to bring her into the fold. And the strength of AOC’s rhetoric has diminished substantially. And AOC has become less and less outspoken and willing to target Democrats with criticism and become more and more of a “team player”. Now I’m not saying AOC is cooked, but she’s definitely on the stove.
She’ll be a career politician no matter what. We’ll see what that means for her over time.
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US
Me neither. 2036 is 3 elections away. Not exactly a long shot that the next 2 will be won by men. All I’m saying is that she’d probably be more effective in the senate (especially as leader) for the next decade and she’s young enough for a presidential run later.
She’d be empowered as SML and given her aptitude that’s why I think she’d be a layup for first female president afterwards.
Seems like the core argument is that AOC should wait a few cycles.
I question the strength of that argument given the nature of her approach to politics and our current/ ongoing political moment. She doesn’t get stronger as a candidate with time she gets weaker, more associated with the establishment.
The outsider lane is the strongest right now and it’s hers to take in 2028. Neither Pritzker or Newsom can take that lane. Why wait?
I don’t share the view that sexism is what is blocking a female president in the US; I think being an inauthentic corporate sellout is what has, so far, blocked a female president in the US.
I sort of agree, but there is definitely enough sexism to knock off a couple percentage points. It’s possible to win and AOC has the right populist appeal that might actually get her elected, but both her gender and her latine name will give her more work than a cishet white man.
These aren’t barriers, but the are hurdles.
Our greatest recent win was with a black man with a Muslim name. Charisma and idealistic policy are way more important factors than all these excuses the centrists are throwing around now that the female nominee might not be a neoliberal. The same “but whatabout vagina” hand wringing surged when Warren was briefly leading the primary. And the same deferral to whatever prejudices are convenient to the end goal were brought out against Obama.
The same people promoting moderate Republican sensitivities as our guiding light are the ones who keep running shitty candidates and losing. They don’t know how to win elections.
I agree. That’s why AOC should focus on policies instead of identity politics. Because what I said is also true
Edit: I’m not saying she’s doing that, but dems have a history of trying and failing to fight cons on those terms
Who else would you vote for? Or are you employing you won’t vote for the DNC in the general?
Who else would you vote for in the midterms?
Right now I’m still trying to find someone to primary this fucking cunt, Ed Case. I had a line on someone in the first, but they’re now moving to Portugal. I’ve put out feelers to Tyler Dos-santos, but like, I’m pretty sure Tyler thinks he’s going to be governor and isn’t willing to fight Case. I’ve reached out to some a kanaka lawyer only to find out that her family is close family friends with Case.
Then there is this shit-bird: https://ballotpedia.org/Samantha_DeCorte
I’m trying to figure out if Desire Desoto is running. She came close but fell short and we ended up with a MAGA rep. Kanaka maoli are very pro-Trump.
Or are you employing you won’t vote for the DNC in the general?
You interpreting anything I said through that lens means your brain is fucking broken and need to step back from politics. Fuck off with any even fucking hinting of blue-maga bullshit that handed Trump the election.
I had a bit of a typo there, idk why midterms was on my mind.
You interpreting anything I said through that lens means your brain is fucking broken
There are just so damn many psyop bastards trying to convince leftists not to vote for the DNC that I have to be suspicious of everyone.
Lol the DNC has chosen Newsom as the new golden boy.
The DNC would run the corpse of Hillary Clinton again before letting a progressive have power.
I would love for AOC to actually be allowed to be voted on, because she would probably win the popular vote like progressives almost always do.
I don’t see anyone better for the job.
Certainly not that transphobic piece of shit from California, that’s for damn sure.
Hell yeah dawg AOC popped into hBomberGuy’s DK64 nightmare steam to say “trans rights” lawl
Newsome is fine. He’s not transphobic, he is big time supporter of LGBTQ+. He’s trying to find a moderate message to win because he saw how Republicans destroyed Kamala on the trans issue.
Personally, I think he should go hard left, but I’m not an incredibly successful governor of the best state in the country.
