This happened to me yesterday and might help explain why his approval is still so high:
I’m in my 40s, sitting in a waiting room, waiting to consult with a doctor about the ol’ snip-snip. The room is filled with aging boomers and gen-x of all walks of life. I mean, the next youngest patient in this room is probably 20-years my senior. Some random guy down the seat row on the other side of the room is talking to someone, presumably his wife but maybe an older female child, about mutual family and friends and the goings-on. I’m ignoring everything as usual until I hear, ‘I know you don’t like tRump…’ My ears perk up.
He goes on to talk about finding these tRump coins online and inquires into whether some acquaintance of theirs, or their offspring, might like one. I can’t really hear the woman’s response, but she clearly doesn’t want to talk about this now, in this place, and within easy earshot of every soul in the room.
He reiterates that he knows that she doesn’t like tRump, but this is about someone else and if she thinks the coins might make a good gift. I still can’t hear the whole response from the lady, but she mentions the AI Jesus post. Dude seemed clueless as to what she was talking about. He says, ‘no, I hadn’t heard about that’. She goes on to explain how much it upset people and the backpedaling he tried to do to sane face with Christians.
Here’s a dude buying tRump coins as gifts like a dude might buy a sports team’s merchandise, not knowing the shit that’s actively perpetuated by that sports team. It’s clear that most are not on tRump’s Twitter clone for infantile adults, but likely only see the posts that some Facebook groups want them to see. Whatever echo chamber these people are siloed in is going to great lengths to isolate that 33% from the real shit tRump does.
I hear you and I want to acknowledge that people are complex and many otherwise good people are caught in these echo chambers doing or supporting bad things.
That said, it’s no fucking excuse to not educate yourself and stay up on the news.
No excuse, but that anger seems to only exacerbate the issue. For what its worth, i think the information age has created a huge curse of knowledge between generations and social economic groups and social media is being weaponized to increase this phenomenon
The “curse of knowledge” is a cognitive bias where experts or informed individuals fail to accurately imagine what it is like not to know something, assuming others share their level of understanding. This leads to poor communication, teaching difficulties, and overestimating others’ knowledge. It differs from the Dunning-Kruger effect, where people with low ability overestimate their competence.
These people barely understand that different news sources exist. They just learn things from “the TV”.
“Social Media? I think my nephew told me about that once in 2014, but I can’t remember what it is.”
Let’s do the Limbo rock! How low can you go?
The last tanker of oil was said to have reached port a couple days ago. Our buffer is gone. Let’s see what happens. Will paper prices meet the real price? What about food prices? Next month should be interesting.
Even for the demographic that is 'mericans that’s impressively low.
It’s always 30-something percent in support, every poll.
Don’t need voter approval if you don’t let them vote. One dimensional chess!
New lows/highs in polling are definitely worth reporting, but we also shouldn’t overinterpret individual polls. Nate Silver’s approval tracker still has Trump at 39.3% approval, just below the 40% line.
So what I’m trying to say is: It’s still much much worse than y’all think. High costs of living, cruelty towards immigrants and non-white citizens, blatant corruption, wars, and all that together doesn’t even move the needle that much.
The bar has fallen hasn’t it? Dubya had a lower rating and he at least handled himself with more decorum than Trump even has the capacity for. This 33 needs to drop below 20.
Which still shows that 33% lack basic skills for poitical reasoning.
Aka Republicans.
Who, exactly, is shocked by these numbers? Even Tucker Carlson is flipping.
You know you’ve fucked up as a republican when even Tucker won’t back you anymore. I mean, that dude is the lowest of lowlifes and even he is like yo man this is too far…
What’s shocking is that there are still 33 % of people who approve.
Have you met Americans? About 50% of the people in rural America that I grew up with are the dumbest people. Poor as crap, but keeps voting against their best interest. I’ll never understand it
In my experience it’s down to a horrid mix of tribalism, lack of education, and propaganda which further enflames the former two. How can folks better themselves if they can’t even fathom that their so called leaders are the ones fucking them over. This is why gas price is so notable because it increases the price of everything and propaganda doesn’t fill an empty stomach.
In an age where you have the breadth of the worlds knowledge at your fingertips there is absolutely no reason that anybody should be ignorant. ESPECIALLY about politics. You can learn anything you want, about anything, all you have to do is some unbiased searching.
The ability to parse information and disinformation is a skill like any other which requires the wisdom and humility to fully apply. A lot of folks grew up in near complete information bubbles and are incapable of even knowing that there may be a different path, there are legitimately people who think all Democrats are possessed by the literal capital D Devil, how the fuck do you even begin to unravel and parse that without just killing propagandists and preachers?
I grew up on the edge of that environment and was lucky enough to break free from it all around 2015/2016 since Trump reminded me of those false smiling CPS workers who fucked me over repeatedly trying to put me with my rapist father. But most folks don’t have that type of automatic response to things, hell some suppress it to better fit in for sake of sanity.
Come at it like you would a cultist be it Scientology, Mormonism, or Seventh day Advenentists. Because that’s effectively what it is since half this shit was being built up as far back as the 60s and most of these poor bastards weren’t even alive at the time.
Sending you a virtual hug. Glad you got out and I hope you’re healing.
The Allfather provides and my madness grants a certain clarity. Regardless it was an escape from the mindset and shackles therein, not literal escape which is admittedly a good thing. Economy is fucked in my region and getting even a shit job at the warehouses is basically impossible due to artificial agents, luckily I can call back on my grandmother and we have a certain truce on these things. I don’t talk about economic structures and my hatred for the stock market and she keeps the political bullshit down, if either breaks the truce it’s free game and we both end up pissy.
This seems organized, as even the conservative talking heads outside of the US are now turning on Trump. Perhaps their boss sent them a note.
Rats look extremely organized when they’re fleeing a sinking ship.
“Hey, you know what’s a good distraction from the Epstein files? Let’s just throw the dirtiest mf under the bus when it starts becoming inevitable, the rest of the world will forget all about us having anything to do with it!!!”
Sean Hannity has entered the chat.
They’re polling landlines and people that answer calls from ‘unknown’ so the actual numbers are drastically lower
33% of the US are traitors. Not just to the US, but all of humanity.
They are all Nazis or Nazi sympathizers.
Which is functionally one group
66% allowed him into office through action or inactionm
Only 33% of U.S. adults approve of Trump’s overall job performance, down slightly from 38% last month.
Say wha? That’s not slightly. That’s a massive drop and breaking the barrier.
That’s worse than Carter’s low by 4 pts and outside the MoE.
Who could have possibly seen this coming for trump?
That’s worse than Carter’s low by 4 pts and outside the MoE.
Carter’s lowest approval rating was received with the arrival of *checks notes* military unrest in Iran. Simply impossible for trump to have see this coming as trump is completely ignorant of history.
Funnily enough, there are reports that after that F-15 went down, Trump had to be removed from the situation room because he got so panicky. And he was very specifically freaking out about the idea that this was going to be his version of the 1979 Iranian hostage crisis. So in this particular case he at least has some vague recollection of history (easier when you actually lived through it). It just wasn’t enough to stop him bumbling face first into a total shitshow, because Trump is, above all else, unbelievably arrogant. He thought he could solve the Iran problem where every other president had failed, at least in his mind. Never mind that Obama made huge progress on Iran and then Trump was the one that tore up his deal.
Still too high approval.
Based on what? Even Nixon bottomed out at 27%
People need to get a grip on the fact that at least a quarter of this country are shameless white supremacists.
33% of Americans approve of:
Child trafficking and rape
Collapse of rule of law
Shifting the tax burden entirely onto the poor
Mass kidnappings of minorities and dissidents
The building of concentration camps
Illegally kidnappibg foreign leaders
Raping developing countries of their resources
Unnecessary, unprovoked and illegal wars of aggression
Bombing of little school girls
Genocide of Palestinians
Genocide of Hispanic Americans
Genocide of anyone not white
Rampant stagflation
Collapse of any semblance of the American dream
And that’s just scratching the surface
That is the shocking part.
Not that shocking when you really think about it. Nixon had 24% approval when he resigned. Since then entire right wing media networks have been created specifically to ensure republicans don’t have to suffer the same accountability. That’s to say nothing of the countless bots on social media.
Think about how much money and influence is being focused on keeping Trump and the GOP palatable until the midterms, then remember that only 1 out of 3 people are actually being fooled into thinking he’s doing a good job.
Trump will be remembered as the worst president in history.
Please remove “president” ,he’s the worst in everything .
He already was in 2020, but then:
His followers are now dead to those of us that have any semblance of a moral compass.
That’s the difference between this time and last time. No more forgiveness, no more tolerance. It’s time to use the big stick.
And what, send them stern letters. What are you honestly going to do to them?
It’s still wild as hell when I have a conversation with some reactionary centrist and just casually drop that in there that he’s the worst president in history and I get this WellWhatAboutBidenOrKamala?! shit.
It’s just mind-bogglingly stupid.
Sure, Biden is not perfect. Liberals have an entire litany of items they could go over. And he’s also, {clutches pearls, gasps, gets the vapors, staggers to the fainting couch} old, ZOMG. And apparently now that’s inherently bad as we employ the Fallacy of the Young, I guess?
But I would have been just fine with his staff Weekend’ing At Bernie’s that guy over the option of this PEDOnald crime wave of a “presidency”. Easily. Without question.
These people that start up with the “yeah, but I had to live under Obama, and I had to live under Biden, and you can suffer this, too” shit are just so very fucking stupid. I have no idea what cross they think they had to bear under either of those Presidents? They never seem able to articulate anything remotely cogent.
I have no idea what cross they think they had to bear under either of those Presidents? They never seem able to articulate anything remotely cogent.
That’s because Fox News has been hooked up to their emotional reward center for three decades, and their Pavlovian emotional response is the entirety of their political belief system.
We thought that the first time
But you forget that Harris would be just as bad. And she would eat Palestinian babies while she did THAT laugh!
She would have been no different from Biden on Israel and we
just learned that she was also planning to attack Iran, per an interview with a staffer. She campaigned with Liz Cheney, the architect of the Iraq war (yes really, look it up I’m not your search engine) and she dropped all her outreach to the left and campaigning against “weird” Donald Trump to this sudden pivot to “the most deadly military on Earth” and tax breaks for capital owners.I voted for her because she was better than Trump but you can stop with all this woke neolib Bill Maher-ass wokescolding horse shit. No one wants to hear it or cares. No one’s mind is being changed by your need to feel intellectually superior in the most smug Reddit ways possible. Go fucking touch grass.
EDIT: https://www.aol.com/news/ex-clinton-national-security-official-143327291.html
I got it mixed up, It was a Clinton staffer, and he said she wouldn’t have “had the courage”
She still would have been way better than this stuff. And that’s the point.
As for intellectually superior, it usually seems to be the ones that love to gloat that they are Above It All ™ because they did the most ridiculous foot-stamping huffy thing that a supposed functioning adult could possibly do when it comes to civic engagement, and that’s stay home or vote third party. And they looooove to tell everyone about it, too.
You fucking voted for her because she was obviously the better choice. But you get pissy because people point out she was the better choice - in the face of so many people not voting for her even though they were more aligned with her than trump for stupid reasons and that margin cost her the presidency.
In addition to the other good points others have made, it’s weird you compare this to Bill Maher. The dude is basically a conservative now.
Not sure he’s conservative, he’s often just annoyingly contrarian - he really prides himself on being “that guy”, and he’s definitely a carrier of the Murc’s Law virus. He’s not exactly Patient Zero for it, or even the worst offender - David Brooks shares a lot of the blame, at least in more recent times. But he’s up there with carrying the torch for it.
I’ve seen him do so much both sides nonsense. He is still clinging to Israel, FFS while acting like those that protest Gaza are actually antisemites. He keeps harping on the trans thing.
He’s exhausting to watch and at this point, I’m mostly hate-watching him. And his guests at least on the panel make up an array of annoying choices.
But one thing he isn’t, and it is not someone that really is going to the mat for Kamala or Biden. If anything, he’s almost exactly the kind of guy that would love to gloat “told you so” about how Democrats can be disappointing, as if that’s some big revelation, LOL.
Yeah I remember when Biden attacked Iran. There’s no way to know what ACTUALLY would have happened. But I can guarantee that it would not be this chaotic.
It doesn’t matter what a staffer said. They would not have all the information.
ALL politicians promise things and have to pivot once they have all the information. To think that Harris would have done this same level of fuckery is willfully ignorant. Saying she would not let Iran get nuclear weapons at by all means necessary doesn’t mean she would have just followed Israel headfirst into this. It is just plain wrong.
Listen I am glad you voted for Harris. You can stop with the weak argument that everything would be the same.
Lies, don’t peddle bullshit
Woke wokescolding
Based
He was that the first 4 years I really cannot comprehend the stupidity of people who supported him a second and 3rd time
The worst president in history SO FAR.
He’ll try to be worse in his third term.
