(iii) Proposed provisions specifying that the USPS shall not transmit mail-in or absentee ballots from any individual unless those individuals have been enrolled on a State-specific list described in subsection (b)(iv) of this section with the USPS pursuant to this subsection.
So the USPS doesn’t have to do this, they don’t report to the president, and I don’t think this is in any way legal.
If the postmaster general follows this order I would hope anyone in Congress could haul him in and have him arrested.
States run elections, period, and this is blatant election tampering.
Just like other past irregularities, mild repurcussions after the fact is too late when the election is already stolen.
Not in Trump’s America.
Elected by Trump.
No consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postmaster_General
I just instructed the president to lick my balls. I don’t think he will though.
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
White supremacists are the weakest and most brittle snowflakes.
UHM, THEY LEGALLY CANT??? 😭
He can’t legally rape children either but that didn’t stop him.
Literally hasn’t ever stopped him doing anything
yeah, though we really wish prone would do their jobs and impeach him and jd out already
What’s that!!? The fat orange child rapist who tried to incite an insurrection a few years ago is now trying to fix and fuck things up in other ways?
Well well well, what a complete and utter shock. If only there was a way for america to have seen this coming…Tried to incite and succeeded at inciting insurrection.
He’s not leaving in 4 years.
Impeach him now
Drag him into the street and beat the sack of shit to death. Fuck this crap man.
You Americans better do something…
We’re working on it as fast as we can without getting shot.
One of the great failings of this government is not providing a punishment for repeatedly issuing unconstitutional orders. He has exactly zero incentive to stop.
Our Congress has allowed a lawless president to do whatever he wanted. It is a MAGA coup dresses as Republicans.
This is pretty much the Republican project all along.
Checks and balances doesn’t work if one party is in charge of everything. I found the John Oliver episode about Hungary to be particularly terrifying.
Imagine if Trump rigged the election so they had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house. They could rewrite the constitution. What then?
Checks and balances doesn’t work if one party is in charge of everything.
Nixon could not have been convicted without Republican votes. But Nixon resigned, because he knew Republicans would vote to impeach and convict him. So the system can in theory work, even if the system depends on policing its own.
It is in fact quite normal across democracies, for stuff like this to depend on the votes of the party in power.
The problem here is that Republican representatives are traitors to their oaths. And more importantly, that Republican voters are not demanding their representatives to not be traitors.
So Republican representatives simply know that they only get reelected if they act tribally Republican. Note that this is generally not a problem with Democrat voters.
Nixon had to be charged with crimes and serve prison time for the system to have worked. As usual politicians get that magical get out of jail card when the exact opposite should be happening. They should be held to much higher standards and punishments.
Ford pardoned Nixon, and Ford lost the next election. And the pardon probably played a part in Ford losing. So the system still sorta worked then, if imperfect.
Nixon was never officially charged with any crime. The modern day pardon is an extremely corrupt practice as evidenced by the current administration. It should be removed entirely honestly.
If it is allowed it should be the responsibility of a non-partisan committee. The president could refer someone but should have zero power over it. I think it would still be abused, but at least there could be some checks and balances.
So Republican representatives simply know that they only get reelected if they act tribally Republican. Note that this is generally not a problem with Democrat voters.
Ironically, it turns into a problem for Democrat voters.
Re-writing the constitution (e.g., amendments) also takes approval from the states themselves.
According to … the constitution
There’s some circular logic happening which Trump sees through. Much like SCOTUS, the constitution can’t enforce itself. So you can just bully it.
There have been cases before where the States threatened to delcare the Constitution null and void due to a pending violation. Contrary to what people think, the States have quite a bit of leeway to deal with things. So far, they have been trying to deal with things legally.
True. I guess he can interpret it however he wants and trust that the supremely court will back him.
I saw he will be the first president sitting in on arguments to the supremely court. I wonder if this is an attempt to intimidate justices that might go against him.
I mean if that doesnt provoke a civil war nothing ever will
It won’t. I’d be more likely to leave the country than to die for it.
what I don’t understand is why don’t they just come out and say “ok, no more elections. this is a dictatorship now” like they keep tip toeing around it, they keep breaking the law, insider trading, illegal operations, all of it and they’ve gotten away with it every time. So why do they keep teasing something they know they have a strong possibility of getting away with? who are they afraid of?
They’re following the Hungary model, which in turn was a variation on the Russian model.
What they’re attempting is a “legal coup,” which is the typical modern democracy-to-authoritarianism transition. They want to retain the facade of constitutionality and lawfulness, to avoid creating an armed insurgency situation, and to avoid burning the value of the current economic system by crashing the stock market or causing investment to flee.
Doesn’t Russia still hold elections where Putin always wins? Or North Korea?
I think the idea is you keep having elections so you can say you won.
As opposed to the wonderful and free America, which holds elections where we get a choice between one of two candidates favored by corporate oligarchs. Candidates who are appointed to the candidacy, if the parties so wish, by “[going] into back rooms like they used to and [smoking] cigars and [picking] the candidate that way”, as acknowledged by our own courts.
Sure, a third party candidate can run, but without funding they have no actual chance of winning even if their message would otherwise resonate with the public. That’s not a functional republic or a functional democracy, it’s democracy theater put on by our ruling class to appease the working masses.
Whataboutism.
A. We weren’t talking about that.
B. Yes it sucks too, but the alternative, which we were actually talking about, is objectively worse.
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I know, you were spreading western exceptionalism talking points, which is what I wanted to dispel.
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North Korea has killed fewer people than America. I’m obviously not pro-Russia but just quantifiably, they have also killed fewer people than America (especially if we’re talking Russia as a current political entity and not USSR). Both also contribute less per-capita to the climate change destroying our planet. So “worse” by what metric exactly?
Now they are talking about killing people and the climate. How far we stray, to be edgy.
What are you yapping about?
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It’s to pacify the enlightened centrists who will go along with it as long as it’s supposedly ‘what the people want’.
Won’t happen and even if it did it wouldn’t stop the defeat they will suffer in 7 months.
Grasping at straws, pedophile
I got banned on Reddit for saying that this is a torch and pitchfork moment.
Because Reddit loves fascism. Edit: that and pussy-ass liberal non-violence…“go high!” Hippies.
They’re not hippies. Real hippies tied themselves together across roads to protest the Vietnam war. They chained themselves to industrial equipment to protect nature.
These are not real hippies. They disappoint real hippies.
And they love trump.
Think about how much (fuck) u/spez protected r/the_donald.
Think about how much they showed their oldest, most tech-savvy users, power users, and moderators, the door…right at the run-up to the election, with the changes in the API rate structure. These users were overwhelmingly anti-Trump.
I got a 3-day ban right after the Venezuala attack for suggesting that another country “return the favor” on our leader.
Have you gone out and incited violence?
We’re inciting self-defense.
Let’s go out and incite economic violence on May 1st. May day strike to test the waters.
What the fuck.
Also, what’s with this federal voter list nonsense? There’s already a fucking voter registry.
Elections are run by each state, including registration. That means when they want to fuck with the registry they have to do it in a state by state basis, making specific lawsuits that target that state’s system. They want to make it federal so they can just drop whoever they want from the registry without having to go through state officials.
Besides being a blatant attempt to enable widespread disenfranchisement, it is also highly unconstitutional. The states run elections, following regulations set by Congress. The executive branch should have no power here, and the executive order should be struck down immediately, but who fucking knows at this point.
and the executive order should be struck down immediately, but who fucking knows at this point.
1: The executive order is blocked by a federal court.
2: Supreme Court issues a stay on that block, allowing the EO to continue until the Supreme Court is able to review it.
3: Supreme Court slow-walks their review of it, delaying until after the election.
4: Supreme Court ‘does the right thing’ and decides it’s unconstitutional … after the election, once it’s too late.
That’s precisely how they blocked Jack Smith’s prosecution from going forward before the election…
That and a lot of help from Garland and therefore Biden.
You don’t appoint a lifetime Republican by the book timid conservative (in every sense of the word) as AG if you want to expedite justice for crimes the book never even IMAGINED, much less drew a jurisprudence roadmap for.
While the Mango Mussolini and his fellow fascists are of course the main culprits, ALL the people with the vested power to do anything has failed the population so profoundly that only blind followers will have any trust left regardless of whether or not the fascists successfully steal the midterms.
I still maintain that Jack Smith did all he could with the time he was allotted to work on the case (less than two years from the time he was appointed), and he did a damn fine job, presented a bulletproof argument to congress, and secured two grand jury indictments totalling 41 felony charges. Aileen Cannon and Scotus are to blame for delaying those cases until after the election.
If the next Democratic president appoints Jack Smith to be Attorney General, I’d say that’s a damn good pick.
I hope someone finally nails him with treason after he gets out of office.
In not usually one to support capital punishment, but he really seems to have crossed that threshold to justify it…
Of course, that’s for the courts and the jury to decide. If they ever do their jobs…
Lol, my dude…History will gladly demonstrate for you, that when you have a fascist leader already in power, there is only one way they “leave office”…and it doesn’t permit much time for a trial after.
Then would anyone care to demonstrate what you mean?
There’s two ways that one way can occur. And I fear it will be the passive means.
lol, no. Forget about it.
Even if Dems manage to get control again, they’re going to go straight to “we need to heal the divided country” mode, which means frequently compromising with the Republican minority and ‘forgive and forget’ for all of the Republican’s crimes. After all, they wouldn’t ever want to prosecute anyone in the other party – that might make it look as if they’re pushing politically motivated prosecutions!
Let me dream, it’s all I have…
How about instead, you start dreaming of an indefinite general strike that grabs the economy by the balls until our demands are met?
I can dream about more than one thing, you know…
I hope he has a stroke and goes into a shut-in syndrome coma
And leave vance in charge without even dispelling his loyal base?
Look, I want to see the guy kiel over as much as anybody, but we all know Vance can’t get elected, so waltzing into the presidency without an election and simultaneously dropping all the baggage of his predecessor is probably going to be the best thing that could happen for the republican party.
Much better if we let the guy’s time expire, let the voters deal out the consequences, and let the republican party shatter without a clear leader to take his place…
Extremely seditious, and absolutely disqualifying all on its own under 14A3
It will eventually be thrown out in regular and appellate courts after it has had the effect they wanted on the upcoming election. Then SCOTUS will give it a green light because they are part of the authoritarian oligarchy.
after it has had the effect they wanted on the upcoming election
I don’t think the anti-GOP sentiment is confined to elderly liberal voters.
Also, Eight states – California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington – conduct what is commonly referred to as an all-mail election, or universal mail-in voting. In these states, voting is conducted primarily by mail, and all eligible voters receive a ballot by default
I’m not sure how post offices in these states could even respond.
I’m not sure how post offices in these states could even respond.
By laughing and ignoring it, having the Governors and Attorneys General of those states countermand it with their own executive orders / statements, just straight up saying that this is plainly obviously unconstitutional.
They could then also threaten legal action against anyone at the USPS who does not listen to them.
Its yet another Constitutional Crisis, any way you look at it, but, its not like there’s just no possible response.
The President is straight up demanding that Postal Workers engage in a conspiracy to, amongst other things… tamper with people’s mail.
So, any manager or supervisor who orders that be done? 30,000 counts of mail fraud, you’re arrested and go to jail forever.
Set up a state tip line for USPS workers to report anything like that happening.
This is how all of these ridiculous eos should be handled. It’s nuts that everybody is just doing what mango Mussolini decrees.
Its nuts, but this is basically just how fascism works.
More than enough people, politicians and the populace, basically just get stun locked by the pure audacity of ‘you can just do stuff’, as all the ‘norms’ that were never formalized just evaporate.
The response is at first bureacratic, procedural, untill it becomes extremely obvious that the entire strategy of the fascists is to weaponize everything.
Even then, it tends to take a while for most people and politicians to actually begin to react in kind, strategically, seriously, largely because they are afraid of… further destroying the norms that the fascists already destroyed.
Normalcy bias. “It can’t happen here” exceptionalism. Cowardice. Incompetence. Propoganda. Historical illiteracy.
Take your pick.
If state governors were more clever, they’d be coming up with reasons to keep their National Guard busy doing something ‘important’ in their states, literally just to deny them from being mobilized Federally, or make it more procedurally difficult and more of a PR mess for the Feds to do so.
The federal government has no control over voting, it is 100% controlled by the states. The post offices are not legally allowed to do anything to the ballots other than deliver them.
They don’t care what they’re allowed to do. They care about what’s technically feasible. They’re exploiting the fact that they can break the law precisely in ways that empower themselves to be above the law before the law can come back around to them. It’s analogous to crowning Trump king and issuing a decree that the transition from president to king was legitimate. What’s the constitution going to do?
The effect is sowing further distrust in voting by mail and suppressing the vote of people who are being targeted by the government in other areas. In those states anyone who knows citizens who were targeted by ICE could easily assume the same harassment of citizens will happen with mail in votes as well.
Just because it isn’t feasible to implement doesn’t mean the chilling effect won’t happen.
The effect is sowing further distrust in voting by mail
Colorado and Oregon consistently have some of the highest voter turnout in the country.
Idk if this works in practice.
From the GOP perspective, this explains why Colorado is a Democratic island in the otherwise “real American” range states. They probably tell each other that without all the fake, mail-in ballots, Colorado would be as red as Wyoming and Utah.
From the GOP perspective, this explains why Colorado is a Democratic island
Colorado isn’t a Democratic island. New Mexico and Arizona are also blue states. Nevada’s solid purple, regularly sending up a mix of Ds and Rs. There’s no shortage of conservatives in Colorado, either. Lauren Boebert is from Colorado, ffs. She’s got an enormous constituency of evangelical lunatic supporters and die-hard Republicans. Trump lost Colorado in 2016 by a Gary Johnson’s margin. It was straight up winnable back under Compassionate Conservative Bush Jr.
They probably tell each other that without all the fake, mail-in ballots, Colorado would be as red as Wyoming and Utah.
Sure. And Democrats keep insisting Texas is winnable if all the non-voters turn out, nevermind how a rising volume of overall voters only ever breaks for Republicans.
Nevertheless, shutting down mail-in voting in Colorado won’t benefit Republicans in any meaningful way.
They can respond by just trashing ALL of the ballots - remember the ruling a month or so ago saying they weren’t liable for shit if they did?
They can. But will they? These post offices are run by the same people doing the voting, after all.
It’s one thing to tell a post office in Utah to trash all the ballots and just hand the keys of state off to the local Mormon Bishopry. Very much another to give the order in Washington State.
All it takes is a few traitors at key points.
That cuts both ways.
Except Dems always play by the rules, to their detriment. I liked Michelle Obama but that “they go low, we go high” shit has been causing problems for far too long.
Except Dems always play by the rules
No they don’t!
They say they do, but they routinely break conventions and norms and laws and constitutional amendments when it’s convenient for them and their donor base.
More often than not, they wait for a Republican to do it first and then just keep on keeping on.
But they don’t follow the rules. They use the rules to excuse why they refuse to enact popular policies. They deflect and defer and soccer-flop.
“they go low, we go high”
Obama did drone strikes on children.
Maybe. However, SCOTUS might not green light it. Loot at the ruling on the tariff case. Roberts, Barrett and/or Gorsuch could join with the liberal wing and hold the line. Of course, Trump is still going to try to deploy troops and chaos at polling places to scare off voters. I think the shit is definitely going to hit the fan in the fall.
SCOTUS backed down from that one because their billionaire owners didn’t like the complete anarchy of the tariffs. This one increases billionaires power over the populace via voter intimidation so SCOTUS will be fine with it.
I see it more as the court recognizing that if they just rubber stamp Trump’s wishes, they destroy their own power, and Trump is notorious for fucking over pretty much everyone that joins him. In this instance, they would effectively be handing total control over to Trump, who is clearly face-planting across the board, destroying the U.S. in the process.
Scotus isn’t always on Trumps side.
They don’t have to rule in his favor 100% of the time to be on his side.
I love that the noose of reality is tightening around this regime’s neck.
However, as they see the end they’re getting more and more dangerous, because there’s no way they’re going to let themselves face justice at the end. I predict this summer and fall are going to be the darkest times of my lifetime, and potentially a lot of violence from the regime.
I genuinely fear that ICE will be arresting people that look like they will vote democrat. You can’t vote if you’re sitting in a cell overnight. States like California and Illinois might protect their citizens. But states like Georgia (which has a democratic senator up for reelection) likely will give ICE free reign.
J6 was just a practice run. This revenge tour he’s shown us the past year only proves he will not go down without a fight… and his base are so embolden now, they will absolutely do whatever the hell they want knowing their king will back them up.
I love that the noose of reality is tightening around this regime’s neck
I mean, I remember this gleeful enthusiasm back in 2006 and 2018. Very likely there’s a bloodbath in the next election. But… what comes next?
Will Dems actually be in charge of the Senate? Or do we get the “John Fetterman Says No” show for the next two years?
Does the House try and rein in the President or just double down on war funding while doing photo ops of Hakeem Jeffries shrugging impotently?
Go back to Pelosi’s House under Bush. And Pelosi/Schumer under Trump 1. These were not inspiring moments of liberal leadership. More often than not, Dems don’t stop the fascism. They just cash in and become complicit.
Yeah I’m well aware of the copium. One realistic way that I see change happening is the regime does something so heinous and appalling in the next 6-12 months that everyone will get angry enough and, while it won’t lead to a direct overthrow, a lot of the farther left candidates will gain more and more power.
This act would have to be like, murdering a crowd of protestors so they can’t vote or something. I should clarify a crowd of white, straight, middle class protestors***
I have no hope for the actual Democratic party of course. They’re controlled opposition at best. It just so happens the progressives caucus with the Ds for now. We really need to abolish FPTP in all states, and implement RCV or approval/score voting, to start moving away from the duopoly, but of course the people in power would never willingly give up power.
