Newly released Department of Justice documents show that investigators reviewing surveillance footage from the night of Jeffrey Epstein’s death observed an orange-colored shape moving up a staircase toward the isolated, locked tier where his cell was located at approximately 10:39 p.m. on Aug. 9, 2019.
That entry in an observation log of the video from the Metropolitan Correctional Center appears to suggest something previously unreported by authorities: “A flash of orange looks to be going up the L Tier stairs — could possibly be an inmate escorted up to that Tier.”
It also appears, according to an FBI memorandum, that reviews by investigators led to disparate conclusions by the FBI and those examining the same video from the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General.
Whenever murky circumstances cause conspiracies, I like XKCDs approach.
What we see in that screenshot is an assassin hired by the elites, headed to make sure Epstein stays silent for good. With the cameras deactivated, it should’ve been a simple ordeal, but upon arrival it turned out he had already hung himself.
an orange colored shape
Hmmmm…
What are you suggesting? 🫲🍊🫱
All it took was an offer of “All the lasagne you can eat”.
Could you fucking imagine?!
He’d make a horrible assassin. The smell and crinkle of his diaper would give it away.
The smell knocks you out. Then he can try to strangle you with his tiny hands.
Who cares? Does it really matter if he offed himself or if someone else did it? He deserved to die because he was a child predator protecting other child predators. There seems to be a lot of angst, mainly from men, about shit that doesn’t matter. He was evil. He abused women and girls. His friends abused women and girls. They should be behind bars at the very least. Everything else is non-productive noise.
I don’t think men on the internet say “Epstein didn’t kill himself” because they want justice for him. That meme was to drive home that he was likely killed to ensure his silence and protect guilty gov’t officials and multinational executives
Who cares? Yes he was evil. But there is a huge difference between him commiting suicide and him being murdered because of what he knew. The fact that you don’t think it should matter is quite telling.
Everybody knows Epstein didn’t kill himself. But did he die at all? Or was he smuggled out?
Even if he were smuggled out, he’s dead now
The rich and powerful want him dead so he can’t roll on them. Nirmak people want him dead because he’s a monster. No one in the world wanrs him still alive
Nirmak people?
Normal but too fast
Judging by the fact we have terrabytes of his files, I’m not sure if he had anything left to offer for his safety.
He thought his handlers had his back to release information when he died, but his handlers/confidants were connected to israeli intelligence, and they made a deal with them.
Maxwell must have her own people, or something that will release information after her death.
Can never rule out the christofacists being stupid on a completely unfathomable level but:
- Other documents have raised question over whether the ligature markings on his neck even match the noose he was found in. This strongly suggests a real-ish autopsy was conducted rather than a fake one. And, contrary to what Swordfish taught us, it is REALLY hard to make a body double that would stand up to that level of scrutiny
- epstein’s entire schtick was power and manipulation of some of the most influential people on the planet. He would not be quietly sitting in a hotel room in an embassy or whatever for years
- Much like with all the “trump stole the election” conspiracy theories, NOTHING has actually leaked out regarding this. Which violates the first rule of conspiracies.
- epstein was, allegedly, killed to silence him. And all the people who would be involved in a secret extraction to this level are the kind of people who would likely have wanted to silence epstein in the first place. Why keep him alive? ESPECIALLY if his legion of rapeable children aren’t around?
Odds are VERY good he was murdered. At most, one could maybe argue that he was spirited away only to be killed elsewhere so he wouldn’t talk. But at that point… why not just kill him in his cell?
I’ll also add on: epstein’s death is one of those focal points for this “scandal”. It is also the safest to manufacture easily refutable conspiracy over. So be very careful of over-fixating. I mean… just look at 9-11. All the idiots insist “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams!” and we all mock them for it. But it did a great job of distracting the public as a whole from questions of how preventable it was and who actually bankrolled it.
What’s the first rule of conspiracies? What are the other ones?
The first rule is basically that the more people required to be involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that someone doesn’t eventually leak something.
I will note that this works for a lot of the more dubious ones, we never went to the moon, the earth is flat, etc.
But I will also note that any competent intelligence type agency compartmentalizes as much information as possible, so that very few people actually know enough to put together a ‘big’ story.
The first rule is basically that the more people required to be involved in a conspiracy, the less likely that someone doesn’t eventually leak something.
Manhattan Project
There are two theories beginning to appear everywhere right now: that Epstein worked for Russia and that Epstein is still alive. Both smell very much like deliberate attempts to muddy the waters and confuse people into giving up on the truth. We shouldn’t let ourselves be distracted. Epstein is almost certainly dead and probably worked for Mossad, perhaps with some freelance blackmail for others too. And the main issue now is to get the rest of the files released and unredact the names and crimes of the perpetrators whom Trump’s DOJ is determined to protect.
Alright since you brought it up. My stance is that jet fuel CAN’T melt steel beams but they sure as hell can weaken them. However my own logic prevents me from accepting a bottom starting pancake collapse when the heat is at the top. Wouldn’t that have been a top-down pancake at the very least?
IDK if you’rejoning, but jet fuel can 100% melt steel beams. That’s basic physics
Jet engines themselves get to >3000F consistently, despite being actively cooled. More than enough to melt steel
Kerosene combustion releases a fixed amount of energy per unit of fuel. You can get it to an arbitrarily high tenperature if you want
It didn’t start at the bottom, but once the section above started to move, weight+inertia would begin to cause failures all up and down the lower section, mostly at the top but certainly along other points, as all of them are now under more stress than they were ever designed to withstand.
At those levels of force, welds, rivets, hell the beams themselves were no match; and the longer it went on the faster it got, and the weaker the lower structure became, in a run-away effect.
It collapsed at the point of impact where the steel weakened, then that crushed everything below it. The evidence is all over and has been for almost 25 years now. Just watch the videos.
Didn’t it start from the top down? It’s been 25 years but I watched it live and that’s what I remember seeing.
Who you’re going to believe? Some rando on lemmy or your lying eyes?
Well it has been a long time. I’d trust then more if I wasn’t relying on a long faded memory. Though admittedly a powerful one.
What about:
The planes did the damage and they didn’t need to rig the towers with c4, but they ignored the plot when they learned about it a month before hand and only shot down the planes that were going to “important” places.
If he’d still be alive that would be the absolute cherry on top of this crap cake.
I want to know why money was moved from his estate to one of his accounts after his death and who withdrew that money/was using it for expenses. Fishy AF
There is a current wild theory relating to his fortnite account circulating. People found his account name and receipts for vbucks in the most recent release. His account activity was allegedly active up until he was jailed, then a gap, and then activity again in 2024.
isnt it much more likely this acc was just hacked or otherwise used by someone else
I don’t really like conspiracy theories in general. But it the Panama Papers and Epstein files have taught me anything is that there are indeed a bunch of nefarious conspiracies going on.
Faking the moon landing and flat eartherism are conspiracy theories.
Acknowledging that the global elite are depraved pedophiles who create global catastrophes just to profit off the chaos and misery, just means you accept reality.
If anything, the Epstein emails showed me that I wasn’t cynical enough… and I thought I was pretty cynical.
The cover up of the files is what a real conspiracy looks like. There is overwhelming evidence that powerful people are intentionally suppressing.
No need to make wild conspiracy theories when literally everything about this is a fucking conspiracy.
Seriously, though, there’s a key difference: Conspiracy theories require an ever-growing legion of circumstances and co-conspirators to make them work. Like for chemtrails. A secretive government plot to poison us with chemicals sprayed from airliners? Seems simple, but: Pilots have to be in on it. Airline mechanics have to be in on it. Chemical companies have to be in on it. There has to be a transport network and storage facilities, so truck drivers have to be in on it. The tanks have to be loaded onto aircraft, so airport workers have to be in on it. Et cetera.
Real conspiracies, by contrast, reduce down to simpler explanations. You can take moving parts away, and it still makes sense. Tax havens? Shell corporations? Corrupt prosecutors? Corrupt courts? Sex trafficking? Pedophiles? That’s lots of specifics that all point to one thing: Rich and powerful assholes doing rich and powerful asshole things because nobody can stop them.
I mean, if you can put an additive in the fuel that doesn’t burn up in the engine, you could do something like this. Only the oil companies need to know. Workers and mechanics can be told it’s something else, a stabilizer or something.
It’d have to be a simple element or a very strongly bonded molecule, which means its application would be extraordinarily limited. So no, it’s probably not useful enough to ever have been pursued.
Well, oil companies did put a poisonous additive in fuel for decades, but they did it right out in the open. They advertised it on gas station signs, and said it was for anti-knock purposes. They still put it in some general aviation fuel. Why should we presume they’d have to do it secretly?
They still do the additives they put in fuel are still toxic, there is poison in like everything we use. They put pfas on food packaging for god’s sake. There is pesticide on your food, in your food. They spray electronics with carcinogen, they impregnate furniture with carcinogenic flame retardants (that don’t work to slow fires,) and the list goes on.
It’s way worse than you think. They don’t have to make a grand secret conspiracy we all trust they wouldn’t do mass harm stuff and they do.
The NSA was indeed spying on Americans, that was a conspiracy. Plastic recycling is largely a scam, that was a conspiracy. Its generally accepted now that Covid-19 came from a chinese lab, that was a conspiracy. It is still very controversial with conflicting evidence on both sides.
As far as I’m aware the earth isn’t flat but some conspiracies do reflect the truth. The covid release may not have been intentional like some theories propose but its not impossible it came from a lab.
Edit: here is a link to Ken Lacorte’s research into the covid-19 lab theory and he tends to be well researched and trustworthy.
Ken Lacorte
The former…Fox News executive? Who killed the Trump-Stormy story before the 2016 election… uhhh… yeah im not fucking trusting that dude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_LaCorte#Alleged_Fox_News_Trump_cover-up
That document is laughable. In only the first few paragraphs, I ran across reliable indicators of pseudoscience scams, like asserting that there’s some “scientific establishment” that he’s up against. Not a very powerful mafia then, because there are tons of dipshits pushing the lab leak hypothesis. Then, there’s the Absence of Evidence Fallacy. (It is not evidence of absence.) That’s as far as I got.
Go ahead and call me closed-minded, but c’mon, Ken should put his best evidence up front. If he has it, which I doubt. Especially when the alternative explanation is so damn plausible: The Wuhan Institute for Virology was put in Wuhan to study the viruses in local wildlife because Chinese authorities recognized the potential for human transmission, and so they built a lab to study the viruses. And that’s why the lab would’ve had the virus in it. Maybe it did have a leak, and some infections came from there, but biological systems are messy and imprecise; the virus probably jumped to humans many, many times over many years, and set up the conditions for a pandemic.
Consider the HIV/AIDS epidemic in North America. We used to think that it all traced back to Patient 0, a flight attendant who liked to get busy around the world. Then, researchers found the virus in stored blood samples going back to the 1950’s. The virus had been in the human population for decades before blowing up.
Reality is often complex, without intuitively-clear lines of cause and effect. The abstract thinking needed to understand it is beyond many people, so they latch on to simple, obvious, and wrong explanations, like the lab leak theory.
propublica looked at the lab leak evidence and it is pretty likely that was it. The senate collected a lot of the information, which has better investigative powers than a news organization, but they got their hands on a lot of email from the wuhan and virology people and the national health and the like and the messaging all but said it got away from them there.
Also consider that COVID-19 is just “SARS 2”, and we know that coronaviruses exist in nature already and this ain’t the first time one has mutated this way…Occam’s razor is that a lab wasn’t needed for this to happen.
We bungled the detection/response and it spread. Largely due to misinformation and inaction of authorities.
Simple as.
Alleged accusations. Its the reporters word against his. Maybe it was for trump, maybe the evidence wasn’t strong enough and Lacorte wanted to avoid a Trump lawsuit. You could argue that is a conspiracy in itself.
And discrediting the Ken Lacorte portion on my comment, the other 2 conspiracies are still valid. My point is we cannot dismiss information just because it is labeled as a conspiracy. For example, if trump rigs the midterms and wins, he will very likely call accusations of his rigging a “leftist conspiracy.” The truth is often somewhere between the conspiracy and the narrative.
The problem is that “conspiracy” has been diluted culturally to mean silly far-fetched ideas. Propaganda can have that effect.
Yes the NSA illegally spies on whoever they want, yes plastic recycling is a PR stunt by the plastics industry.
However no, the lab leak theory of covid 19 remains unsubstantiated nonsense pedalled mostly by china-hawks in the US who think we have a slightly better chance of winning if we start ww3 now.
Propublica did a thing on it and it convinced me.
Wonder how they snuck this by Bari Weiss.
Throwing this out there: What if he really did kill himself, partly as a way to get back at the people who let him take the fall, because he knew it’d look super sus?
Ahh yes. Giving them exactly what they want in order to spite them. Reminds me of Chuck Schumer.
He coulda just outed them all as pedos and not killed himself
Can we agree that Epstein knew too much, and was silenced? Either by being suicided or by being smuggled out of prison, while leaving a stand-in dead guy with strangulation marks.
If can discard the Elvis theory, and agree that Epstein died in the cell, and that his death wasn’t voluntary, then maybe look at who else died. I mean, if you want to kill some high profile person, then you don’t want to be connected to that event. So you hire somebody, and then kill them afterwards.
Take Jack Ruby shooting Oswald, or the guy who shot at the audience next to Trump (sorry, but I don’t buy him missing with an ar15 at that range, I’m definitely not a great shot, but when I train at 200m I get 10/10 in center mass from a prone position). You don’t want to leave the shooter alive.
So look at who else croaked in the days following Epstein. Any guards missing? Fellow inmates?
His former roommate, a so-called ex-cop who already tried to kill him? Bill Barr?
