Wtf of course china is authoritarian. China is all about total surveillance and total control by one party.
Surveillance in China is no greater than in western countries, though, and the decisions made by the CPC are made through constant polling and consensus building. This is why a much larger portion of Chinese citizens support their system and believe it represents their interests:
There should be an Australian guy who is still just hating on China in the 2nd panel anyway.
China is very vocal about taiwan being theirs.
Do you have a reasonable explanation of why it should be the US’s and not theirs?
Both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) claim sovereignty over all of China. Neither considers the island of Taiwan to be distinct from China, the question is over which government has legitimate sovereignty over all of China, and the overwhelming consensus globally is that it’s the PRC. Taiwan’s government is made up of the ones that lost the Chinese Civil War and fled to the island, slaughtered resistance, and have been protected by the west.
Probably because it clearly is
It is theirs. If you support Taiwanese separatism then you should be consistent and support all separatist movements. There’s plenty in Europe you should support them.
Chinas military stays in and around china as far as i know…
But the us is everywhere interfering in everyones business
I do know China meddles in Africa a lot. I think because they are interested in resources, maybe mining or oil?
I read in the past that a lot of the Sudanese groups that pillage and fight with a lot of South Sudan are funded and given firearms or something by China or Chinese groups. I think this was more prominent around 15 years ago when South Sudan was trying to be independently recognized.
Side note: I also remember reading that George Clooney used to fund some kind of satellite thing that helped South Sudanese track movements of North Sudanese so they could preemptively avoid attack.
China definitely meddles. But yeah, probably nowhere near the degree the US does.
I do know China meddles in Africa a lot
Oh you know that? That’s something you know? How exactly do you know that? Did it come to you in a dream?
China has mutual development projects in Africa, the reason is because in the long run mutual development benefits everyone.
No. Its not. Go read about their lease agreements. Theyre doing the same thing just through financial means.
“go read this thing I haven’t read, I assume it supports my argument”
I have read, and China is absolutely not doing “the same thing just through financial means.” Financial domination secured with millitant means is the western method. China is not debt trapping poor African nations. We can see that this isn’t the case when we can observe countries in BRI engaging in rapid development and industrializing, and this is confirmed by China forgiving tons of debt. The goal of China isn’t to make countries reliant on them, or to earn money from debt, it’s because China gains personally through mutual development. Here are some articles debunking the “debt trap” myth:
There are many more examples I can use. China isn’t doing this out of the goodness of their own heart, but because they stand to gain from mutual development. A more developed global south means China is less reliant on the US Empire as a customer, provides new avenues to facilitate trade, and creates more markets for customers. The west harvests the global south for cheap labor and resources, and we can see hard comparisons in data between BRI participants and those imperialized by the west to see fundamentally different results.
It’s clear at this point: participation in BRI results in sustained and rapid development and mutual cooperation, and working with the west results in sustained impoverishment. It appears that you believe any cooperation between more developed and less developed countries is inherently imperialist, and impossible to be mutually beneficial. I’d like to see proof.
As a side-note, this is also why I hate the “go read” argument in online discourse. Reading very well can be the answer, but the other user isn’t going to do it unless they have a compelling reason to take your advice. This goes for Marxists that tell other users to read as well.
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-port-development-africa/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Ek6HZ5nD4&t=670
The only thing clear is if yoy do business with them they will take control of whatever it is they build. And acti g like they wont use it for military means when needed is a childs mentality.
Linking a bunch of people fearmongering about China’s increasing presense in Africa doesn’t actually mean this is to take away sovereignty from African countries. China gains from this mutual cooperation, but so do African countries, and unlike the west China doesn’t force trade at the barrel of a gun. That’s part of why it’s mutally beneficial, and results in development in Africa, vs underdevelopment and western enrichment.
All this really proves is that you have a deeply chauvanistic view of China, assuming that every country is as evil as the west. The simple reason why China isn’t economically compelled to imperialize is because it isn’t dominated by finance capital, and thus prioritizes long-term results. It’s simply better for everyone for their to be mutual cooperation, but western countries are dominated by the profit motive and finance capital, which compels them to take short term gains via looting the global south.
I suggest you read the articles I have already linked, they help debunk the fearmongering from your gish-gallop.
Your articles keep talking about “increasing Chinese millitary domination” despite a whopping 3 millitary bases overseas. China has a defensive millitary and benefits from stability and development in the global south, while NATO has hundreds of bases and installs compradors, coups, forces austerity, and more.
Construction projects =/= military occupation, try harder
I think it is more that Americans are so used to extractive austerity and warfunding/fighting that we’ve completely forgot that economies can build civil society.
https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-port-development-africa/
I dont have to try. Theyre selling everything to the chinese already. Acting like china wont use these for military opperations when needed is just stupid
This does absolutely nothing to support your dumbass claims, try again
It does if youre literate. Thats a tall ask on here though.
China gains as much as $13 in trade revenues for every $1 invested in ports. A firm holding an operating lease or concession agreement reaps not only the financial benefits of all trade passing through that port but can also control access
Chinese firms hold operating concessions in 10 African ports. Despite the risks over loss of control, the trend on the continent is toward privatizing
Ports in which Chinese firms have equity arrangements provide similar leverage over port operations. Notably, under China’s technical standards for “military civil fusion” (junmin ronghe; 军民融合), many Chinese state owned commercial shipping and civilian air cargo capabilities meet military specifications for defense logistics purposes.
It’s possible for two things to be true at once.
It’s possible for you to not talk solely in rote, word for word, recitation of thought terminating cliches, and yet you don’t.
It’s possible for your entire hand to fit in your ass
I would love for you to actually make a claim rather than this meaningless bullshit.
The reason this cliché is utterly unconvincing to me is because it’s incomplete. Nobody seems to be able to genuinely prove how both statements are true, whenever hypocricy is pointed out. It isn’t at all grand and revealing to say that 2 things can be true, what matters is investigating the truth of the 2 things.
The World isn’t the West. China is an enemy of choice for the West due to racism, otherwise it poses no threat.
China is a threat to Africa, trying to buy land for military bases from African countries. China is constantly trying to expand and dominate its culture. If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.
It must be so nice being an anti-communist. You can just make up whatever unsourced bullshit you like and expect people to believe it
If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.
Yeah, its clear you have no clue what that is. Trade and development are not imperialism.
No sources for that claim of course, as usual.
To my knowledge the only military base China has in Africa is the one in Djibouti, and literally every country who can afford to have a base there has a base there.
If that isn’t the definition of imperialism, I don’t know what is.
Indeed, you don’t have a clue what it is. Try looking up “unequal exchange”, or better yet reading a book on the subject. Lenin’s Imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism and Fanon’s How Europe underdeveloped Africa are good reads on the subject.
Walter Rodney wrote How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. Frantz Fanon’s most famous work is The Wretched of the Earth, which is also a banger. Here’s Lenin’s Imperialism, the Current Highest Stage of Capitalism and the Prolewiki page on unequal exchange, for reference.
You clearly don’t know. I suggest you read about France’s parasitic relationship to Central and Western Africa that continues to this day, it even controls the issuance of the currency for eight West African nations and six Central African nations. Nothing China does even in your imagined worst case scenario comes close. And that’s just France.
China is not trying to expand nor dominate its culture. China has mutual development projects with African countries, it isn’t dramatically expanding its millitary presence. The US Empire has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, China has 3. This is just the typical western projection onto China.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
True.
- European nations gleefully join with USAmerica-led invasions against other countries and talk about Freedom n Democracy
- But they think it’s against Freedom n Democracy when USAmerica just mentioned an invasion directed against them
Both true
thx you filled my liberal bingo card for this week :)
‘Liberal’ really just does mean anyone you disagree with, huh?
Wow, another word for word recitation from the book of tedious shitlib cliches.
Are you actually capable of forming a sentence of your own? Or just repeating the ones you’ve had programmed into you?
You suck at this
No, I usually use this term to describe people who e.g. use cookie cutter sentences which just empower the powers that oppress us and which stay in the frame of the general western (especially EU-centric) propaganda doctrine.
