Literally the same kind of chaos occured whet the revolution happened in 1917

Seriously you don’t see any difference in popular revolution overthrowing centuries long tyranny and literal foreign agents overthrowing a state contrary to people wishes and establishing comprador tyranny?

USSR, especially late one was quite capitelistic itself

I am starting to suspect you see history not as dialectical process but as set snapshots.

i fail te see the connection

Considering the above, it does not surprise me anymore.

was literally ruled by gangs and otherwise criminal mob. It had nothing to do with any doctrine

Yes it does happen when capitalism is introduced, it’s a feature of expanding capitalism, either colonial or imperialist.

I love how this thread is like microcosm of westolefto. We got decaying carcass of kautskyism sprinkled by raw cointelpro, dbzeroer anticommunist, solarpunk asspull nonsense and of course .worlder who starts with ableism plus another one who gets angry when provided with evidence.

Don’t like your freedom to die from overworking? Well you damn sure better do, else you could also get your freedom military dictatorship back again.

That’s a very risky statement. wałęsa is the personification of the worst stereotypes of lumpenproletariat, he would DID sold entire nation under the tyranny of the exact same capitalism she is doing. If that would entail violent forever war at the hand of USA, why not, in a blink.

Ah, so it’s wałęsa type of nobel.

US told them

Not nearly as much as you think, as i said, clientele systems that really is existing at this point, would be used for that. Right now let’s say lobby group made of powerful interest groups like MIC or oil or finance is bribing politicians (politicians and political parties would naturally still exist under direct democracy, just in maybe different forms) but they still have their powerbase and they would mobilise all the people dependent on them for the elections. “Don’t want to lose your job/grant/contract/whatever, vote like we want and mobilise people dependent on you to do the same, and so on and on from top to bottom”. Just as it worked every time before.

It wouldn’t be viewed in this light, just as current vote X no matter who aren’t percieved as corrupted. Ever heard of the patron-client system? It fucked up direct democracy every single time, and would resurface hard in politics.

No, it’s not hard, it happened many times in Greek cities. Polish noble democracy in Commonwealth also became corrupted in exactly this way. You can see it even nowadays in the part of bourgeois democracies that are direct, for example European presidental elections, “vote x no matter what” blocks are found and it result in electing such people like Nawrocki in Poland. I mention him because he’s incredible example, barely anyone ever heard of that guy before elections (except prosecutioner) but the magical hand of PiS chairman marked him as the desired candidate and suddenly he actually won against very well known liberal politician Trzaskowski (and Trzaskowski was least horrible lib in Poland).

Yes, you certainly do seems to think that, thx for confirmation.

I swear that even full trumpists are less obnoxious on the internet than you blue magas because while they try to choke me with the same capitalist nonesense, they are at least more honest and don’t pretend to be on the left.

Yes, they are not, they are socialdemocrats which are rightwing because they support capitalism.

Yet they still failed to make railgun which would be viable as military weapon (iirc they intended to make it main weaponry for USS Zumwalt)

Yeah it’s all possible when you asspull nonexistent tech. Oh wait, USA tried to make railgun but failed. In making a gun. In Murica. Let that sink in about how cooked tech research there is if they can’t even make a gun.

Poroshenko is trying to lecture someone on democracy. Lol. Lmao even.

Oh, it’s the same map

I legitly don’t know if bit or lib

EDIT: aw shit, lib after all, but this line of “I believe it when I see reuters or AP on this.” was way too on the nose for me to believe it at first :(

Are you still friends with any of your axes

FTFY and yes

I demand we bomb boats in Venezuela to stem the tide of fentanyl trucked in from Mexico via China!!!

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