that’s right really have to lean into liberal lore here

Since you appear to claim that Groh is not an authoritative source, then perhaps you’d prefer Andrew Mumford. Who in in Proxy Warfare spends an entire chapter titled What is Proxy War? unpacking the levels of engagement and making it painfully obvious that not all indirect assistance qualifies. Or perhaps, Geraint Hughes and his book My Enemy’s Enemy: Proxy Warfare in International Politics which builds a whole framework around the specific strategic relationships that turn a conflict into a proxy war. And of course, we can’t forget the Routledge Handbook of Proxy Wars which is four hundred and fifty five pages long and exists entirely because the concept is so much more complicated than your little copy pasted internet definition could ever dream of being.

But sure, a definition you googled frantically is so much more authoritative 🤣

go read a book for once in your life, this is so utterly embarassing

here’s an idea, why don’t you go read a book instead of continuing making a clown of yourself in public here’s one https://www.sup.org/books/politics/proxy-war/excerpt/introduction-excerpt

here’s an idea, why don’t you go read a book instead of continuing making a clown of yourself in public here’s one https://www.sup.org/books/politics/proxy-war/excerpt/introduction-excerpt

here’s an idea, why don’t you go read a book instead of continuing making a clown of yourself in public here’s one https://www.sup.org/books/politics/proxy-war/excerpt/introduction-excerpt

The US is not just dropping off care packages and waving goodbye. Ukraine is entirely dependent on American weapons, American intelligence, and American cash. Without the US Ukraine collapses within weeks. That is the definition of a client state. The US may not micromanage every trench assault but it absolutely sets the parameters of what Ukraine can and cannot do. No ATACMS into Russian territory until Washington says so. No F-16s until Washington approves. Zelensky does not get to unilaterally escalate because the plug gets pulled if he steps out of line.

So yes. The US is fighting a proxy war against Russia using Ukraine as the proxy. This is openly admitted by no lesser person than the Secretary of State.

What’s truly amazing here is how you just keep doubling down.

You went to Yandex and copied the first definition you saw. That is adorable.

Of course, even the dictionary definition says it is about support and third-party powers. That is the starting point, and you are acting like you found the rosetta stone here.

A proxy war is a political arrangement. It is not just two countries who vaguely dislike the same guy and happen to help each other out. If it were that loose then every military alliance in history is suddenly a proxy war. NATO is just a bunch of proxies. The Allies in WWII were proxies. See how stupid that sounds?

The scholarship is very clear on this. Tyrone L. Groh in Proxy War: The Least Bad Option does not just say support like your Yandex definition. He defines proxy war as directing the use of force by a politically motivated, local actor to indirectly influence political affairs in the target state. There is a hierarchy there with a principal and an agent. Not just two buddies high fiving because they both hate the same person. But of course, reading actual books is too much to be expected from somebody like you.

Your definition is a child’s sketch of something that takes entire books to understand. You looked that up and thought you had a mic drop while you had a flimsy entry level summary that collapses the moment you apply it to a real world scenario.

By your Yandex logic the US giving Israel weapons makes Israel an American proxy. Do you believe that? Or do you understand that Israel is a sovereign nation with its own agenda and the US just shares some of those interests? That is the exact same relationship Russia and Iran have.

The mental gymnastics here are genuinely impressive. You dismissed actual analysis and instead pulled up a search engine and acted like you discovered fire. Go read a book then come back and tell me your Yandex definition is the airtight argument you think it is. I will wait. Amazing you do not even know what proxy means.

some serious big talk from somebody living in a country with a collapsing economy, nice one dude https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3w38qvz195o

So if USA is fighting proxy with Ukraine how then is Russia not fighting a proxy with Iran?

I literally explain this to you above. Try engaging with that stochastic parrot.

The reality on the ground is that Ukraine is running out of manpower as Budanov openly admits. That means Russia is winning through attrition. Why is the EU tightening its grip on communication, why does the EU ban Russian media when Russia doesn’t ban western media? What is the EU afraid of?

Sounds like the EU is tightening its grip on the communication infrastructure of the country because they know what’s coming as the domestic situation in EU members deteriorates. Which certainly is supported by the fact that all the governments in major European are polling under 20% while nationalist parties are rapidly growing in popularity. The AfD becoming the biggest party in Germany certainly doesn’t sound like all is well to me.

Oh honey. You are so close to getting it. Let me help you.

Russia and Iran are NOT fighting the same war. They are two separate countries with separate agendas who happen to hate some of the same people. That is called an alliance. Not a proxy relationship.

Russia is fighting Ukraine. Iran is not fighting Ukraine. Iran sends Russia some drones because Iran wants to annoy the West. That is arms sales with extra steps. Russia does not control Iran’s decision to do that. Iran could stop tomorrow and Russia could do absolutely nothing about it.

Now flip it around. Who is Iran fighting? They are fighting Israel through Hezbollah and the Houthis. Is Russia in that fight? No. Russia is sitting on the sidelines sipping tea. Russia is not telling Hezbollah when to launch rockets. Russia is not funding the Houthis. Iran is doing all of that on its own.

So ask yourself. If Russia is not controlling Iran and Russia is not fighting Iran’s war then how is Russia the master and Iran the proxy? The answer is it is not. You are trying to apply a definition to a relationship that does not fit and then calling everyone else dumb for pointing it out.

You want to call Iran a Russian proxy so badly that you forgot what a proxy actually is. A proxy does the work for the master. Iran does its own work for its own reasons. That is not a proxy. That is just a country with a pulse.

Yes, a proxy literally does mean that one party is using another. That’s what makes them the proxy. I guess you’ve run into your cognitive limits here. I do appreciate that you love being the court jester. It’s good to embrace your strengths.

huh? https://www.iqair.com/ca/world-air-quality-ranking

Yes I pulled it up so that you could see for yourself that your definition you provided was wrong. “Impossible to be a proxy war because Russia doesn’t control the Iran government”

What part of the definition I provided is wrong. Be specific. Is a proxy not a nation being used by another more powerful nation, which it is a client of, to fight their adversaries?

Perhaps if you actually tried engaging for whatever it is that passes for a brain in that head of yours, you wouldn’t be writing such idiotic comments here.

Providing weapons and intelligence to a country doesn’t make it a proxy lmfao. The fact that you keep doubling down on this really is phenomenal. Just how dumb are you exactly?

these trolls just make it so easy 🤣

I love how you had to run to look up what proxy war means in the dictionary. The key aspect of a proxy war is that it’s a country being used by another as a proxy to fight their adversary. Please do explain how this is the case with Iran and Russia. I’ll wait.

It’s truly amazing how you reach new levels of imbecility with each and every comment. I just can’t wait what brain droppings you’re going to leave here next.

Sounds like a hit a nerve there. What I absolutely love about your style of trolling is how you just ignore the evidence when it is presented and smoothly pivot to braying about some new bullshit you made up. Go ahead and address what Budnov says kiddo.

Sure doesn’t read like Mali is collapsing. What it actually reads like is that there’s a terrorist attack that’s being dealt with. Seems like you’re projecting your hopes and dreams here.

A war of attrition is about industry and logistics. We have NATO using Ukrainians to fight with western weapons going against Russia here. And the situation is that Russia is now outproducing all of NATO. That’s all of NATO getting defeated. NATO failed to accomplish their goals in the proxy war.

Meanwhile, Iran isn’t a proxy war because Iran is not a Russian proxy. Russia does not control the government in Iran or make decisions for Iranians. Amazing that you don’t even understand what the word proxy means. I’m so sorry you’re a victim of western education system.