Which actual IT guy supports antivirus?
Ohh fuck yes, I support antivirus, but only on Windows, maybe, possibly OSX. If you give bare Windows to a kid, they’ll have viruses as soon as they learn to use Google.
TBF, Fam gets my guest network. It’s not allowed to touch anything in my house, they can only route through. DHCP sends their DNS to 4.2.2.2 and 8.8.8.8, They can’t even touch my DNS, they can’t see any of my home automation and they can’t see each other. They can push the connection as hard as they want, the QOS won’t let them take priority.
For my son I just used APLs in group policy. Only approved apps could run. I encouraged him to be better than me and he has definitely kept me on my toes. Now he is in college for cyber security and loving it.
So far he hasn’t broken anything major on his computer or the network, well, aside from messing up his BIOS a couple times… But then he got to teach me how to program EEPROM (like I said, he has kept me learning stuff I normally wouldn’t).
Lol generally I’ll refer to the OS builtin tooling (XProtect/MS Defender) and EDRs as “Antivirus” otherwise the non-techies will freak OmG wE hAVe NO aV! And then the “anti”-viruses like mcafee and Kaspersky mysteriously spawns
And also on-demand AV software can be good for spot checks or if you’re sus of something.
It’s the “Real-time” shit that hooks into the kernel that needs to be avoided like the plague
Ok but 56kbps is just evil
It’s only considered evil if it doesn’t also produce dial-up noises.
But since op didn’t clarify, let’s just assume evil.
I’m very against Roblox. I know a kid who had a really hard time with online predators and a lot of it stated with Roblox. He’s 19 now. He and I were talking about it recently.
Parents think Roblox is like Minecraft bc of the aesthetics of the game. But, Roblox is not a game with a chat feature, it’s a chat room with some games. That’s a big difference.
They have 380 million users. Around 60% of the user base is under the age of 16. 40% is under the age of 12. That’s 152 million mostly unmonitored kids.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time, but in our experience predators meet kids on Roblox and get them to exchange Discord or other contact info with them.
Discord is also a problem here, but that’s for another rant in another thread. If you are concerned about your kids and want to discuss it with me, feel free to message me.
TLDR: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY ROBLOX unless you are actively monitoring the game.
Don’t forget the child labor aspect. https://www.theguardian.com/games/2022/jan/09/the-trouble-with-roblox-the-video-game-empire-built-on-child-labour
The younger kid’s chat is disabled. not allowed to friend anyone.
The older kid has chat enabled, but is only allowed to friend people we vet.
Computers are in an open area, chats have been keylogged, we check occasionally.
If friends show up unanounced, or they chat where they’re not supposed to, they lose internet access long enough to regret it
When they get old enough to have friends online, we contact the parents, make sure they’re compatible politically, theologogically, just generally not extremists and their kids have some base level of dicipline and are safety minded.
We also semi-regularly play with them and set rules about the appropriateness of the games in relation to the kids ages. The younger one’s don’t get to play the violent ones.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time
Quite the opposite.
And here too! https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Roblox
A friend’s 8 year old daughter was asking to play Roblox recently and they reached out to me since it’s in my current area of study and advised them against it due to the lack of responsibility that the corporation takes for their users.
I suggested that they introduce her to Vintage Story on a self hosted server instead. That way, they can control who has access and content.
I’m actually surprised at how many parents let their kids play Roblox unmonitored. I mean, why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
That would actually be the safer option imo.
And far better for their physical and mental health.
He is doing the right thing if only because he is preventing a child from playing Roblox.
He’d be a hero if he gave him a copy of Minecraft (or really almost any non-F2P game) to play instead.
Luanti.
Vintage story!
I’ve only ever met two types of IT professional. Either:
- Their home network is immaculate and smooth as butter. It connects quickly and integrates with everything. They can manage it all from their phone, but they don’t have to because it’s all automated. Their server room (a) exists and (b) is cable managed. There’s a wireless access point and connected smart speaker in every room, including the garage and the back patio, but they’re carefully located for maximum sound coverage and to prevent signal interference. Their home theater is substantially better than a movie theater, and their media server is packed to the gills with content. Network security is hardened, with bespoke subnets for every user and tunneling for the media server and smart home functions. You feel a sense of calm and ease when connected to their network. “Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Or:
- Their “home network” is a single Belkin router from 2011. They’ve had it since college, and it takes 9 minutes to reboot (which they have to do daily). It doesn’t even have Tomato on it and still uses the default password. They still watch OTA TV and Blu-Rays, so the wifi is exclusively connected to the smart switch that their tea kettle is plugged into so they can start their hot water before they come downstairs. You feel guilty even asking for the wifi password. “Why would I do any network stuff here? I do IT all day at work, the last thing I want to do is even touch a Cat5 cable at home.”
Isn’t this basically just rich IT guy vs poor IT guy?
No, it’s 'my life is IT and i never stop working" guy, and “IT is just my job” guy.
I just order a new router on Black Friday to replace my 10 year old one. I also only console game now because PC gaming is too much of a headache. I spend my money on outdoor gear and pets, not technology. My new router is $90 bucks. I can’t fathom why I’d ever need a wifi 7 quad band router with 9Gbps of throughput for a home network, other than pure bragging rights. All my devices are like 5-10 years old and barely support wifi 6 anyway.
A couple of my co-workers are the former. They will be doing penetration testing at 2am form their home lab in the morning because they their default mode is work work work. If i’m up at 2 am i’m watching TV and snacking.
I monitor security updates, but my co-workers like get excited and ramble on anytime a new patch/attack is documented. I don’t get it. They revel in doing updates and rebuilding their VMs fresh every few weeks, I groan and clone.
Maybe more like fresh IT guy vs. seasoned (=old) IT guy
Nah, I could afford nice shit but I’m still using a ubiquity edge router 8 from 10 years ago.
There is probably something to be said that there is an in between to those two extremes. The “my network is made of a Hodgepodge of shit my employer threw out that still seems to work and brand new things I replaced because I had to”
“Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Absolutely no fucking way! And anything that touches work is isolated, their opsec sucks so much they didn’t even realized they mandate “security solutions” with known backdoors.
Our opsec is pretty well managed, but I try to squeeze anything I’d need at home to work tasks. I get paid to learn the stuff at work and then I can just implement it on my own environment.
I think it means they setup new tech on their homelab to learn how everything works and how to break it. Then when a problem arises where one of these solutions is needed at work, you can implement it without any large issues. It makes sense if your hobby is close to or adjacent your day job, and you are on Salary, and your boss treats you right.
Yes, I’m not doing almost any of the things we do at work in my network.
I’m absolutely not running the same software. I’m not organizing the information the same way. I’m not using the same infrastructure abstraction, and even less configuring it in any similar way. I’m not writing the same languages.
The work environment is dictated by consensus between many people, with varying expertise, and weighted by how much work one is willing to put into each aspect of it. Each of those parts lead to bad tech, even though they lead to good people organization.
Well I sit kind of between these
Like I’m not getting a dedicated router and have no server room in my apartment, and my consumer router only supports two VLANs (main and guest). But I’d say the rest is rather sophisticated with all machines defined in my NixOS config, including automated generation of firewall and reverse proxy rules for which I wrote custom modules.
Media server isn’t super full but connected to jellyseer and the rest of the stack, accessible over TLS (Let’s Encrypt certificates) only, with the option to have users managed via IDM.
However, I only have devices on my network that I somewhat trust, with an Android TV box being the worst offender. The smart TV was never connected to my network.
Would be cool to isolate my work PCs somewhat (I work from home with company provided equipment) but it’s just not worth the trouble in my opinion. Not switching out a low power device that does most for two different devices that both use more power (since you usually need a router and a modem).
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The guy she tells you not to worry about VS you.
I’m in the meme. In the shitty paragraph.
Are you my boyfriend/roommate?
Edit: he and I are both IT folks, but he handles all the Windows issues in the house. I handle Linux issues. He handles the router because it’s closer to his desk so it’s easier for him to threaten.
That seems optimal, I would be terrified at the thought of a Windows admin touching me.
no, just me, gabe newell
I want to be the first, but I am definitely closer to the second. I’m trying to find a reasonable middle ground.
Like, I want to have a nice home network with a proper NAS, Pihole DNS, Plex/Emby/Jellyfin media server, all my music properly tagged, little mediaplayer/emulation/game streaming endpoint boxes on each TV, etc. But I don’t have the time or money to do it right at the moment.
So I have my desktop set up to share out my media folders as SMB shares when it’s powered on, and I’ve used a few tools to get my video content organized right for Kodi. I’ve got Kodi installed as an app on the Xbox Series X plugged into the family room TV. The other TV has a Chromecast dongle with VLC sideloaded and set up to connect to the SMB shares, because I’m too lazy to get my Kodi setup on it. Every room in the house has an ethernet port, and most rooms have a dumb switch so as much hardware can have ethernet connection as possible. I’ve run my music collection through MusicBrainz Picard, and separated it into a properly tagged and organized folder, and one for stuff that isn’t.
I used to be the first, but because of a shitty landlord I was forced to move, and I only had 30 days to find a place. I bought a house because no one would rent to me with a large dog and she’s been with us for 10 years now.’my homelab is sitting disassembled in the basement with nowhere to even plug it in, because in order to get an outlet wired I’d have to replace my entire breaker box which is probably hanging on by a thread. I’m too house poor to even consider getting the work done over paying the bills I need to and providing my kid with food and clothing.
The place is nice enough and my family lives well, but I was the first guy and now I have to be the second guy for who knows how long.
In other words; fuck landlords
I’ll take option 2
I’m almost the first (I run multiple VLANs and SSIDs using pfSense and Ubiquiti hardware) but my server is an old PC sitting under my desk and my cable management strategy is mostly “out of sight, out of mind”. I’m also heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, especially for smart home stuff, so not everything is open source. Basically I have a complex network setup because I actually make use of it, but I really don’t enjoy working on it and if there’s an easy solution, I’ll go for it.
I’m in the middle. At work, I play it fairly conservative, applying well established solutions to well-known problems.
I have friends whom I advise and assist with their networks that absolutely fall into the first category.
MY network is is like the lab of a mad scientist, everything tinkered with right up to the edge of breaking. My home router collapses multiple times a year due to the wonky chaos I ask it to do. Home automaton sequences that are more complex than most rube goldberg machines. Metaphorical sharp edges and loose clutter everywhere, but an unholy abomination that works better than it has any right to - until I scrap it all to rebuild it from scratch next week.
I spent way more time than I care to think about figuring out how to get my porch lights to come on at 7am and turn off 10 minutes before sunrise without breaking when sunrise happened before 7am. I tried some serious Rube Goldberg nonsense in multiple iterations, until finally I decided to just add another “turn off the lights” at 9am every day. Most of the time it doesn’t do anything because the lights are already off, but on DST day it accomplishes my goal of making sure they don’t run all day, since 9am is always after sunrise.
For all the AI hate on this website y’all couldn’t figure out this was written by it? This is ChatGPT in particular.
I figured it was made up (“@it_unprofession” probably ran out of content ages ago), but it doesn’t look like actual AI content to me. The sentences are too short, for one thing.
Or just copypasta.
Guys a madman, didn’t even ask for a ticket.
45 minutes to setup a guest wifi?
This is very easy on a consumer router and more difficult on an enterprise router.
It does seem to imply the person has some experience with those though so 45 minutes still seems like a lot.
Yeah, that’s where the ‘IT professional’ lost me.
(They might have a complicated setup with everything overly managed … but this is just a new vlan, unrelated to anything …)Not to mention you might want to have one for test purposes anyway.
Also there are alternativnes, like mobile data via phone hotspot.
Or giving a kid to play some horror game on your gaming rig.
Or saying you don’t have wifi, wired net only, why didn’t they bring an ethernet dongle??
First time had to google the manual for the router he doesnt know the model # or how to access
Allowing children on roblox is negligence at this point so I think this is unironically in the right
Deleting Roblox and installing Factorio
You’ll thank me when you’re older, kid.
Older? Poor kid might forget to eat or drink water if you get him hooked on Factorio
In my generation, we lived on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and look at the Sim Cities we built.
The factory must grow.
“Why is my child applying to Nestle’s child mines”
he yearns
I refuse to allow my own child on it. It takes zero effort to see all the super shady shit happening there. I wont have my child exposed to that crap.
My sister-in-law let her 10 year old daughter play it with zero supervision. When we found out we told her she should be watching what her daughter’s doing so she went in to check and found the kid talking to some grown man from Azerbaijan.
I played Roblox with my kids for years and didn’t find any shady shit. Not saying there is no shady stuff on there, but after 100s of hours either it’s suddenly gotten worse, we somehow dodged all the shady shit or the media have exaggerated the issue. Take your pick.
I played with my kids because they desperately wanted to join in on the fun but the reports of it being pedo land made me create a rule of “you only play when we play together”. We had great fun, have many fond memories of our time on there.
You definitely dodged the shady shit with that rule. Not just pedo land either, also the illegal child labor.
When my kids were younger I treated the internet like a large room full of strangers of all kinds good and bad. I wouldn’t let my 8yr old wonder around on her own there so why would I on social media or multiplayer games.
I couldn’t imagine bringing a gaming device to a family Thanksgiving celebration and insisting on being able to use it instead of socializing with the people physically there.
“Are you nuts kid? We don’t use wifi around here. I unsoldered the antennas of my router, just in case.”
Fake! The AP is separate from the router!
Imagine having a router with an AP built in. We don’t use that consumer tier stuff around here. 😎
“Oh, your iPad hasn’t got an LC duplex OFC port? That’s too bad, scrub.”
hands nephew some bits of fiber optic cable and an SFP
Figure it out, kid
Simple solution: log the kid into your neighbor’s wifi.
As an early teen my parents turned off the WiFi router at night and when not in use. I eventually found the neighbor had an exploitable WEP router from an Android app, and I used it to continue watching Minecraft and Happy Wheels videos on Youtube.
My son did this…
Congrats, pretty sure “mom took away my internet” is the primary entry point for IT professionals
Lol his reward was I retired from family tech support and gave the reins to him. He loved it at first but realized it for the curse it was within a few months.
Hes given it back to me by refusing to call my parents back when they call asking for help. I’d ground him but he’s an adult and my shenanigans don’t mean much anymore 😂
:D great fam
Similar situation: I legit taught myself how to use aircrack-ng when I was like 12 because I wanted to play Mario Kart on my grandma’s Wii, but it needed internet to download an update, which she didn’t have. However, the neighbor had a WEP-encrypted network, and I was staying the night. The rest is history.
For me it was my older brother (who owned the only computer in the house). He had very strict rules about what I could do on his PC but even then he would only leave his room unlocked once a week at most. This was before I even cared for internet so being offline was no big deal.
When I was 13 I managed to talk my way into doing some chores for a neighborhood PC school in exchange for access to computers whenever there was some free spot in any of their classes. A couple years later they opened a Lan House so I worked there and could finally use PCs all day every day. One more year and I was already teaching programming classes there (well, trying to).
I was already really interested in computers myself. My own explosion of interest was a game called WarioWare: D.I.Y. that let you make minigames using a built-in editor.
I’m old enough you have to replace “cracking neighbors wifi” with cloning our modem and “youtube” with funny pictures from irc homies, but same. Working around internet access restrictions was a milestone between fun things I could do with computers and how they really worked
What’s the modem clone about?
They would unplug our isp provided modem and take it to bed with them, so I tracked down another one from the manufacturer and copied the eeprom from theirs onto it. It was a simpler time :p
I’m older, so my entry point was “I wanna make my OWN Marios”
Yeah, there’s the old “strict parents make sneaky kids” saying that is often very true. Parents who try to lock down their tech often find that kids will just bypass the tech entirely. Nothing is more singularly motivated than a 14 year old who wants to look at tits, and locking it down only encourages them to do shady shit like get a secret prepaid phone, or hack the neighbor’s WiFi.
Not possible, neighbor implemented Negative Trust.
Beautiful
Classic BOFH.
Probably because it was Roblox and an iPad
If it was a Nintendo DS and Pokemon Black 2 you could have never been able to deny peak
The DS would not be able to connect to OP’s network to begin with.
DSi and 3DS support WPA 2, but games must be DSi Enanched to go online on WPA/WPA2. DS and DS-only games support only WEP.
To play online my DS games I have a guest network with not broadcasted SSID and no password, but only allows my DSLite, DSi and 3DS’s MAC addresses to connect one at a time and has its very own subnet. Not too secure, yeah, but it’s all I could do on my home router.
What games are you playing online?
I didn’t realize those systems had online games, or at least i image no one plays.Mostly Pokemon Black 2, Pokemon HeartGold, Mario Kart DS, and WarioWare: D.Y.I…
There are many online games on DS and DSi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DS_Wi-Fi_Connection_games
The 3DS added a lot of focus online while the DS and DSi had it more close to a gimmick, and most games on the 3DS did have online modes.
Online service for all games was terminated in 2014, so online play of DS and DSi games is done with private servers by the community and online forums to plan games.
At this stage yes, barely anyone plays as it is now a niche community of enthusiasts.
Ah private servers, that makes sense. Pretty cool man. Enjoy
What’s the issue with the security posture of iPads you are implying?
I like the Nintendo DS and 3DS systems of consoles
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The kid started crying for not being able to play roblox?
