That’s not even an opinion anymore, it’s just an accurate description of events in the country
Except a third or more of that 80% thinks the crisis is the “violent radical left antifa superpredators.”
I think the one thing both sides are fully aware of, we live in vastly different realities.
Thy aren’t thinking they’re being told. And they ain’t questioning it
Superduper predators, raawr
No they don’t.
They pretend that they believe this because it allows them to hurt you.
And you’re letting them.
The only way out is;
- Landslide against Republicans for 2026 MidTerms.
- Landslide agains Republicans in 2028; to the point where they no longer exist.
- New progressive Democratic Party.
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2030 Midterms
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2032.
That’s assuming that America is going to have free and fair elections (if at all) ever again.
I admit that that is a pretty big assumption, but I do have faith in the people.
It may be misplaced faith.
What if 8 years of election fraud bullshit was the setup to poison the waters when they actually use the techniques?
This is Russian psyops 101: play/fund both sides so when both are revealed corrupt, the populace is too confused to know what’s real.
So republicans say, for years, “Your Russian election claim is a hoax!” And then we get, “They stole the 2020 election!”
Now we have more statistical information showing signs of manipulation, but because Republicans have called out their opponent as manipulating elections, researchers are afraid too report facts based on voting tabulation.
We are in crisis. The country is socially fractured. We’ve been manipulated by our enemy (Russian oligarchs/mob/Putin). They repeated the lies enough that MAGA will believe any dumb shit while Democrats look like they are using Republican insults or tactics.
We’ve all been duped.
I’m pretty certain the 2024 election was rigged.
Whether it was voter intimidation, voter suppression, gerrymandering, voter fraud, vote buying, or outright manipulation of the tabulation machines there is no doubt it was. Of course you could say the same of just about every election minus the possible tabulation tampering.
Idk why you would when they’ve failed so often for so long in that country.
Famously, the way out of fascism has not been through democratic means. Fascist dictators tend to rig the democratic process to the point where it is obviously no longer democratic. The US has been seeing this since the founding of the country (electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, 3/5ths compromise, lack of any federal direct ballot initiatives, mass propaganda campaigns like the Red Scare, etc.), but has only accelerated as more time has gone on, but more extreme contemporary examples would be countries like Russia, North Korea, or China.
The US also has a two party state due to the first past the post voting system that only accelerates this process faster, as the two parties are both corporate parties, and no party represents the will of the workers/lower classes.
Capitalists and fascists alike will do anything and everything in their power to both maintain and expand their power. The only exceptions are when there are mass, well-organized protests/uprisings/boycotts, but the corporations/the state also controls the media and now also the majority of the Internets’ communication services when “Web 2.0” started replacing less centralized services, making mass organization much more difficult.
This is interesting. Do you know how to get out of the corpo fascist death spiral?
Organize en masse. Look at what Nepal was able to do. Also be sure to have a permenant solution to corruption that the majority can agree on. I prefer Prof. Richard Wolff’s ideas personally, and I think avoiding centralized power as much as possible is of great importance.
Also have a voting system that isn’t on Discord that is very hard to hack by experienced hackers. I think blockchain voting can work very well for this. I understand the word “blockchain” is associated with cryptocurrency, but that can be changed. The voting system must also be transparent. If using software, open source, cryptographically signed software is a must.
If there are three or four points/demands that can be focused on that are easy to remember, even better. Look at how Bernie was able to bring the idea of single payer healthcare to the masses. Maybe something like this:
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All businesses must be owned by the workers and run democratically.
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Hard wealth cap of $50 million, including unrealized gains, tied to inflation. Enough to comfortably retire, but not enoigh to buy political favors.
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All basic necessities such as food, water, shelter, sewage, higher education, healthcare, internet, etc. provided to everyone free of charge paid for by taxes.
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Universal basic income tied to inflation so that people who can’t or don’t want to work can still persue hobbies and produce art without worry about failure.
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Not to make light of your great rundown here, but to attempt to maybe put this in more palateable terms for normies:
You gotta fight…
…for your right…
Don’t get me wrong: We are indeed fucked beyond repair.
However, we have a dying fascist autocratic president who is trying to achieve dictatorship. We don’t have a dictator quite yet. And chances are he’ll be dead before he achieves that goal.
We’ll just become a rightwing hellhole as Vance more competently consolidates power for capital than Trump could dream of. And then the Democrats will probably barely win the presidency but it wont matter because they probably wont have the Senate, they definitely wont have the courts, and maybe even not have a majority in the House with all the gerrymandering. Nothing will get done and we’ll rot and liberals and socialists will be at each other’s throats too much over Trump’s previous repeated victories to pull anything together to meaningfully fight back.
It’s definitely not going to be that easy
And even if it were, we definitely aren’t going to get all those things.
The ratchet effect will ensure #3-5 never happen. I think we need to forget about #1-2 and go for #3 first and start treating 1/4 and 2/5 as the same.
Even if 1 happened, the tilt in politics would ensure that 2 doesnt happen. Every time we get a step like 1, the right wing pivots to blaming democrats for any legitimate (and plenty of illegitimate) grievances. Which is obviously lapped up by the ignorant morons and hands power back to the republicans. Over and over again this happens. We get a Clinton, then comes a Bush. We get an Obama, then comes a Trump. We get a Biden, then comes another Trump. Its just the same cycle of braindead stupidity over and over again.
Even if Democrats sweep the midterms, or somehow by a miracle get back the presidency after that, then ultimately power will be handed back to the Republicans in the following terms. The time to prevent any of this was when Democrats had full control of the government over ten years ago. But hindsight is 20/20 I suppose, and decorum was the flavor of the day. I doubt anyone imagined that established political decorum would be thrown out the window to the extent that it has been
Fiction writing is an art.
the only way out is voting
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I mean i haven’t seen you start the armed insurrection yet
I am not advocating violence! Don’t forget labor stoppages and organized boycotts and blockading highways/rails/ports and mass demonstrations in the cities, things that require us to be active but don’t require mass violence. I’m not even against voting, but saying it’s our only hope means waiting to die if they rig or cancel the elections.
Besides, I can’t just run off as an individual and start the revolution by myself. Adventurism is bad. We need to be organized.
I am surrounded by engineers and scientists… more than half of them dont vote beacause " this does not affect me". Frustrates me so much. This are educated people, relatively speaking. Maybe because they are still well-off economically? I don’t know. I don’t understand how they are so uninterested.
The engineers and scientists in my neck of the woods are very concerned about the shit that’s going on. The unionized floor techs on the other hand lean far more favorably to the orange dolt.
Do you work at a shooting yourself in the foot factory or something? How the fuck could you be in a union and support Donald fucking trump or anyone associated with him?
This is pretty common in the US unfortunately. Lots of union leadership and membership both lean hard right. Part of it is due to reactionary thinking and constant propaganda, and part is due to lots of people just being fucking stupid and illogical.
This is not how it’s always been.
Unions etc used to be reliably Democratic.
Over time the unions have been hollowed out and the Democratic party has increasing had an image problem.
These lower workers think that the Democrats are only pandering to “woke” problems which that population obviously doesn’t think affect them(and in some cases is actually detrimental).
This is not really true but it is what they think and it’s one of the reasons Trump does so well in that demographic regardless of what he does.
Absolutely. And it extends to more than just democrats. Unions have been brainwashed into thinking all progressive platforms are bad for labor, which is nuts. Have union guys in my city literally pitching about how labor socialists are anti-worker and MAGA candidates are better for them.
Hating minorities more than they hate themselves probably helps. Or naïvety. Or both.
Americans are taught since birth that if they work hard at low wages, they will eventually become billionaires.
Poor education and lack of critical thinking skills; it’s not exactly uncommon. In my neck of the woods, most trades workers support the Conservatives, unionized or not
Show them this video: https://youtu.be/Ame0j8jbMY4
Then tell them voting is exactly the same as discussing politics.
They’ll just show you this https://youtu.be/aPW8AaOuvDs
I’m not saying this is always the case, but if a coworker or someone i know in a professional context asks me a political question I will say I have no strong opinions despite the opposite being very very true. Others may say this to strangers or to people who aren’t their close personal friends.
An entirely self created one
The beloved Patriot Act 20 years later.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Political Crisis created by billionaires.
By billionaires, by trump, by right wing extremists, by religious idiots, by general idiots, by…
By fascists. Don’t forget them they are the same people you are talking about.
For sure
Can’t talk bad about fascists in America anymore.
I’m not American so I will say it for you. MAGA are fascists, billionaires are supporting it and are thereby fascists, religious groups are all in as well; they view him as a messiah who will lead your nation to greatness, all fascists. Over 25% of your nation is outright fascist at this point.
The funny thing is yes 80% may say that we are in a political crisis. But it depends on which side of the aisle you’re on as far as what you consider that political crisis to be. Well yes we may agree there is a political crisis there are many that are calling for stricter controls in many of us that are calling for the leaders to be given the French treatment.
Yet 50% of the 80% won’t actually vote.
It’s 80% of voters so they already took 1/3 of the country out.
that’s too generous, this is closer to 3/4 of the country out
For reference, only 84% of Americans believe the Earth is round. . That this statement has about as much agreement is not surprising, but it’s worth keeping in mind that 15%-20% of people are going to disagree with literally any statement you poll them on, even basic facts.
Didn’t Universal Background Checks have like 91% support after Sandy Hook?
I remember it because I’d never seen anything poll so high in the US.
Clears that up.
It’s definitely frightening how one “influencer” being killed seems to have made things worse. They not only didn’t learn from the consequences of stoking the flames of divisiveness, but keep piling on the fuel. How does it not hit them that their own actions are what is causing this crisis, and how do they not think it might have gone too far? How are they so cynically exploiting the situation without the slightest hint of awareness that “this could be me next”?
Kirk was the excuse they pounced on - the escalation was coming regardless.
Conversely, 20% of voters declared legally brain dead.
“People in a burning house believe there might be a fire inside their house”
As designed by the GOP, for the GOP. They are the terrorist organization Donald trump is so worried about, but he keeps mixing it up and calling them “the radical left.”
The dementia is spreading across the entire GOP base. They all forgot what being a conservative was.
Bit late, but good.
I wonder what conclusions they will draw from it though?
That the other side is to blame. So no, it’s not good. This is actually a worse situation.
Yeah this is my take away. If enough people think the political crisis is the other political party where does that actually get you because that’s what this means to me.
Of voters. If that’s the only group that gives a shit we’re doomed.
The voters created this mess. The real argument should be for education.
Mass manipulation by social media is why we are where we are. Stupid voters have been around for all of democracy.
Critical thinking skills and being able to form your own opinion and back it up with evidence should be taught in grade school. Most people don’t get an introduction to this until college.
I’d be pretty happy if elementary logic was a high school requirement.
I mean, half of voters did. But I agree about education
The voters did what they were supposed to do: vote.
The fact that the system of democracy has been slowly eroded over time and never updated with new knowledge is the failing of Congress.
