Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”

Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”

On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”

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    Mussolini got dragged through the streets and him and his gf’s lifeless corpses were hung upside down for all of Rome to see.

    Weird fact. Not sure why I’m thinking of it

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    Only a rag would quote Fetterman and credit him as a Democrat. He doesn’t act or believe what he did when he was elected as a Democrat, his perspective is irrelevant.

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      I’ve watched Fetterman’s 180 from across the pond. Don’t really understand what happened and what made him flip.

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          So, I like this idea, and the recent expose indicates that the stroke has essentially rendered him non compis mentis, but do you really think the brain damage turned him conservative? Were there no red flags before? I genuinely don’t know enough about the guy.

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            There were definitely red flags before, it’s just that people ignored them because he was better than Dr. Oz. There’s a good Some More News video that goes into it.

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          Stop spreading that. It’s not true.
          Fetterman was a shitty mayor before his current office. He chased after a blackman with a shotgun because the guy was simply jogging in his neighborhood. He vandalized local business in the middle of the night that he didn’t like.

          He firmly stated he was not progressive during his run for office. The Republicans labeled him a progressive librel to try and smear him. He was never progressive, ever. The stroke did not change his views. He is and always was a slimy politician .

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        They took him into a room and said “hey, do you want a mountain of legal bribes? If not, we will primary you with that same mountain”

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    Cool. So since she’s a member of the house of representatives, she must have initiated proceedings for impeachment, right?

    Edit: I am happy to see that she did (or rather joined in with Al’s), and it served a useful purpose of highlighting what posers the rest of the Dems are with their resounding votes against.

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        Can you elaborate on why? Genuine question. It seems like if the alternative is also not getting what you want, then there isn’t much to lose?

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          im not an expert on congressional procedure but considering that the Republicans have a majority in both the house and Senate, an impeachment vote would always fail because they would never go against trump. also, its not a great look if a representative is always introducing bills that are rejected by a vote, die in committee, or are never even put on the schedule. just think about how Bernie Sanders was dragged for not introducing enough legislation that actually passed into law during his long career.

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    I like how they pretend if he is not the president it wouldn’t be the same. They lied about WMD in Iraq and went to war in behalf of israel. And the did regime change in Libya, bomb and missions in Somalia and Yemen and not a single word from almost all congress about war crimes in gaza.

    Let’s be honest, AIPAC controls all level of governments.

    The only issue now, white MAGA, who actually hate Jew, or Russian propagandist are calling him out.

    As soon as AIPAC find dirt on them or manage to buy them, the progressive movement will find themselves alone again.

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      It wouldn’t. Trump can be bought off more easily. Trump literally released a propaganda AI hit piece on Gaza for Israel. Trump is literally illegally detaining protesters for protesting against Israel in universities. People who say Biden would have done the same show how clueless they are, specially now that the differences have shown how stark they are.

      WMD in Iraq? Literally Republicans again.

      Libya? Literally United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. Is the organization constantly getting vilified by Israel by their condemnations of it also part of the same grand scheme in your world view?

      Somalia? Another Republican president.

      Your shotgun argumentation is bad and you should feel bad. AIPAC has a lot of power in the US, but it is not equally present in both parties and it does not manifest in the same way either. The US has bigger problems than AIPAC, but its fascist takeover has probably gone over your head as well.

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      Yeah you figured out the big secret. The Jews are the secret puppet masters of the world!

      That or you’ve become antisemitic. Yeah, that’s probably it.

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        It is you who think when someone says AIPAC means Jew. Most Jew has nothing to do with AIPAC. Read more about Zionism and their history before and after WWII and read more about different mostly Jew who are on odd with the AIPAC and it’s Zionist views…

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          AIPAC is a group of American Jews that support Israel. So when you’re rambling on about AIPAC conspiracy theories you’re claiming both American Jews and Israeli Jews are evil puppet masters.

          Antisemitism has in the past made subsets of Jews acceptable to hate. Look up the term Cosmopolitan Jew. Zionist Jew follows that pattern.

          You’re being told by many people on the internet that it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy to accuse people of being antisemitic for criticizing Israel. I’m not Jewish, I’ve never been to Israel, I’m not being paid by anyone. I’m not a part of some conspiracy against you. Just someone who has learned how antisemitism worked in the past since I felt like I owed it to my grandfather who was damaged while fighting against some antisemitic assholes.

          You’re following a pattern that has happened before.

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            It’s wrong to hate Jews because they are Jewish. That’s antisemitism. But it’s the right thing to do to unequivocally condemn the Israeli government and their enablers because of their right wing genocidal policies towards their neighbours. The pattern you are following is that of claiming Israel cannot be criticised without it being antisemitic, which is the same bullshit Netanyahu is trying to pull.

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              Better not to engage with these account. I think their Zionist nature, as many of them, like to change the facts, create new one, then accuse people of being antisemitic.

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              If you’re criticizing actions of the Israeli government that’s not antisemitism.

              If you’re promoting conspiracy theories about globalist Jews being the secret puppet masters of the government, that is antisemitism.

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    They tried this before multiple times and it achieved nothing, you’d think they’d come up with a new idea.

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    Does it even matter, American government and business is soaked deep in soggy dogshit.

    It’s not getting fixed by political discourse. If you’re trying to do it that way than you aren’t even playing the same game as the entity leading right now. Understand the game like mob boss and gang leaders. These politicians appear naive… We don’t live in that world anymore and probably haven’t for the past 30 years. It’s the same feeling as seeing mainstream big religious people living in a dream world.

    That’s not a call for action or anything… It’s just realistic observation.

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      “He’s guilty of crimes. He should be prosecuted for those crimes.”

      “You stupid idiot leftists. Don’t you realize opposing rich people never works? Just brown nose them so you can become one somebody. That’s the real ticket.”

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        There are twice as many NFL players on their standard rosters than there are billionaires in the U.S.

        Mathematically the ~850 billionaires make up 0.00025% of the population.

        The average person is about 22 times more likely to get struck by lightning than to become a billionaire.

        There’s a lot of people trying that brown nosing tactic, yet don’t realize there isn’t room on the roster for infinite members, there is a fairly finite amount of funds, and for someone to move up, the money has to come from others. Roughly the net worth of 5,000 U.S. families given to one person. But in reality, the devaluing of wealth from near every individual in the U.S. so they can have it.

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        You make progress by fighting the battles you can win. Fighting battles you can’t win is all about getting attention and accomplishing nothing.

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    If literally anyone thinks “it’s okay that Trump bombed Iran, it was the right move”…

    Then couldnt you just argue that “if it was such an obviously right move, wouldn’t it have been easy to get congress to approve it?”

    It’s illogical to on one hand say it was the right thing to do, while ignoring the fact he did it without approval.

    If it was so right, then approval would’ve been easy to get…?

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    he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?

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      If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence

      The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”

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        The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.

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        The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”

        Not quite. The first two times were like a grand jury returning an indictment. That’s the House’s part of the equation. They have a vote requiring 50% of members to vote to impeach the president, effectively indicting him. The Senate then has to hold a trial that which takes a 67% vote to convict him and remove him from office.

        Saying he has been impeached twice but not removed from office is the equivalent of saying someone has been indicted twice but not convicted. He hasn’t yet been convicted.

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        The reason (well, one of the reasons) they don’t do it, is because Trump ignores orders. Meaning: if they want to remove him from office, it would literally come down to sending goons in to physically remove him, and the other goons might resist. It would get ugly.

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          Um, *raises hand* point of parliamentary procedure; people are suffering and quite literally dying right now. It’s already extremely ugly.

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            Yes, but most Democrats in congress are feckless cowards. They don’t want to be seen “instigating” something ugly.

            Instead, they’ll give speeches, hold up plaquards, and write firmly-worded letters.

            And the Republicans are complicit, so.

            Edit: I’m not sure why I was downvoted for calling Democrats feckless and ineffective, and Republicans complicit in tyranny. Because, well, fucking look around.

            I’m not equating the two parties. It’s just that, with a few notable exceptions, our voting choices tend to be between Evil and Chickenshit.

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          No, the reason was Reds protecting their guy and refusing to hold him to account. Even if what you suggested were part of their motivation, the optics of Trump refusing accountability and literally being dragged out, hasn’t been paying attention to the optics that Trump himself brings to the US and the GOP, specifically. It’s a pretty shit justification.

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          The moment they decide he’s removed, he has no authority to stop them from removing him. Sec Serv wouldn’t listen to him. He’d be an 80 year old man hiding behind a door.

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      IMO this is business as usual thinking.

      The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.

      And even if it doesn’t pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.