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    We can’t take care of these little things. These scams you got going on…

    Amazing that the health and education of the people are simultaneously little things, scams, and unaffordable by the federal government.

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    Since Palantir has all the voting registrations linked to all the social security numbers, Musk raided and kept all our sensitive data, and the age of the draft has gone up, how much you want to bet the government suddenly drafts only the younglings who happen to be a Democrat to fight and die in his war?

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      The drafts throughout history in many countries have always been done this way to varying degrees. It is partially seen as a way to mow the lawn as the elite class would see it. Whoever the undesirables are at that point in time get to go into the meat grinder first. Most recently, Russia has done this in Ukraine… Sending convicts, minority groups, poor people, etc, to the front line. Modern systems now would allow specific targeting of a draft to political opponents, specific areas of certain groups, and so on.

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      There is a problem with that.

      Data from early 2025 indicated that voters aged 18 to 21 favored Republicans by roughly 12 points, a sharp contrast to those aged 22-29, who continued to lean Democratic.

      So they need to make sure to only draft 22-29 if they truly want to try to skew elections.

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        Data from 2025 is too old. You have to remember that 18-21 voters were children during Trump’s first presidency, and their political reality was defined by Covid.

        They were not happy with the Biden administration, and for good reasons, so they reacted by leaning R. Now they are learning just how deeply depraved and disfunctional the Republican party is. I believe they will be radicalized into lifelong anti-Republican voters.

        Check out this CNN poll from a few days ago.

        A follow‑up CNN/SSRS poll conducted from March 26 to March 30 found Trump’s approval among 18‑ to 34‑year‑olds had fallen to just 20 percent, while disapproval increased to 80 percent, putting his net approval rating among young adults at minus 60

        Donald Trump’s Approval Rating Implodes With Gen Z - Newsweek

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        I wonder how much that has skewed - and very much for the typical narcissistic reasons - since then. But yeah, if they go by old data, they may find they have to “draft” older people.

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          Good point, I think that the draft would be incredibly unpopular as well and likely change people’s perception if instituted.

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      I hear so many people make that statement. I realize most are just making a flippant “joke”.

      Not paying your taxes, assuming you owe any federal taxes, is a recipe for a whole heap of trouble and expensive if you’re working class. This isn’t VISA where you can basically just ignore the debt for X number of years and then you’re in the clear. The federal government has considerably more options for getting the money owed.

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            Yeah its a good thing that never in history have governments, sometimes of the largest economies and some the most capable of projecting force, its a good thing that never in history have governments collapsed, having been replaced whole cloth.

            Its a good thing thats never happened, otherwise your sarcasm could be mistaken for a deep, toxic, counter productive cynicism.

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                China does it ever couple hundred years, the Roman Empire by its end in the 1400s had been effectively reorganized dozens of times and could hardly be considered the same state, Britain and France more or less collapsed to their core territories by the 60s, the Spanish and Portuguese Empires imploded economically before being picked apart by the Dutch and newly independent colonies. I could go on but those are the big ones where the empires in question had notable territory loss or effectively reorganized in totality, there’s a couple smaller examples like with Sweden becoming Insular or how Islam transitioned from an imperial institution in a lot of ways into a religious one, but those examples rarely are as impressive or went on for centuries without any real turning points.

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                Oh I don’t know. Maybe just pick any of them. Perhaps most recently, that one weird event which resulted in the formation of the nationstates Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan.

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        Eventually the IRS would garnish a person’s wages, yes? For someone self employed, that wouldn’t exactly be a viable option I suppose. They could put a hold on someone’s bank accounts and whatnot if garnishment isn’t possible.

        You’d need to transition to a cash based lifestyle to circumvent this. Difficult to do in today’s world.

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          Yes. Wage garnishment is one tool they have. Granted, debt collectors have that tool as well, it’s just that the federal government can do it much more quickly and easily.

          I’ve had 2 family members, that I know of, over the years who decided they weren’t going to pay their federal taxes because they didn’t like who the president was. Both of them regretted it.

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    10 years ago, a statement like this from ANY potus would have turned into a month off front-page freakout. Now? It gets a one-second shrug.

    Fuck. Where we are now. So quickly.

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      I doubt it would have applied to the cons.

      IOKIYAR.

      Newt and his team have been working to divide America since at least 1990. Actively. And it gets little mention. Meanwhile, plenty of reactionary centrists and nearly all of the mainstream media and of course the unhinged right wing would say things like “Obama is divisive” as some kind of serious analysis.

      Meanwhile, the cons have been intentionally trying to divide. And were not called on it every single day, as they should be.

      The GOPAC memo “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control” is something every American should be aware of, but I bet maybe 1% are.

      So if earlier asshole GOP POTUSes were to blurt this out before, it would probably get bothsidered and downplayed back then, too.

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      Not even 10 years ago tbh… If Biden said this when he was president, Republicans would inexplicably become the number one advocates of healthcare and childcare and screech endlessly about him being a warmonger for several news cycles.

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        It’s not “10 years ago,” because it has nothing to do with time passing. It has everything to do with Republicans doing a coordinated and concerted capture of all media.

        It goes away because they want it to - the silly non-news used to stick around for a month because of their manipulation. It’s important to remember and talk about this widely

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            Big strong scary words behind an anonymous handle. You sound real tough.

            The toughest thing you could do would be to write an op-ed and publish it under your real name and talk this tough.

            You can’t. You won’t. Sit down.

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      What was the actual quote?

      Like, I know trump sucks and absolutely says these things with his actions, but…

      MeidasTouch is one of the most clickbaity, reactionary, and misleading excuses for “journalism” that we have on the left. The kid does a good job going head-to-head with conservative pundits on televised news, but I don’t take any of their headlines at face value, especially because they all tend to be inflammatory and are often no more than speculative.

      I’m not giving them the web traffic to see if there’s anything of substance behind this headline. Anyone who did, care to share the direct quote?

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      Maybe, but in my entire lifetime (certainly more than 10 years), Republican POTUS can say or do literally anything they want with little to no actual repercussions at the polls. I feel 100% confident that Reagan could have said this, his policies were doing this just not so explicitly stated. Bush Jr got the USA into war over false pretenses and it took many, many years after his presidency was long over before public opinion shifted slightly on the topic in terms of realizing how wrong it was.

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    And don’t those things (daycare, healthcare, Medicare) have high returns on value too? Because the workers benefitting from them are then more productive, so government recoups the investment in its people via taxes. Health issues can be tackled earlier when they’re cheaper. I’d assume less property crime as people are less desperate, etc etc. Funding domestic social programs is always the right move

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      While you are absolutely right, you’re also out of your mind if you think the president gives even one shit about high returns on value to anyone other than himself.

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      There was a saying I heard a while back that keeps popping up. A version of “Democrats would rather feed 100 people in case one was hungry, Republicans would rather withhold food from 100 people in case one didn’t deserve it.”

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        Just in case, this is Democratic and Republican voters. Democratic politicians mostly agree with Republicans on this but in a pinch will means test 100 hungry people to find and feed the hungriest of them.

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        That is not even accurate, their leaders, the ones controlling the party, want to starve all the poor, they want nothing but harm to the poor, because that’s what the party wants, and they believe in nothing other than self interest.

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      You don’t have to appeal to financial incentives to say that these are good programs. In fact, I would say that our tendency to frame situations in that manner is a huge part of why we are a society with an empathy problem. You should just say that providing these services to people is a moral imperative. If someone disagrees with that then you know right off the bat that they suck and you shouldn’t waste more time talking with them.

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      Yeah but those are incompatible with billionaires getting richer. At least in the short term. Which is all that matters to the leeching class.

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    I can’t help but feel so sorry for all the Americans. No one deserves this. He’s gambling with so many lives of innocent people. Before Trump I didn’t know democracy would be so delicate.

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        I am from Germany and I love a lot about history. I meant modern democracy in a much more globalised world where Information on the internet is free. I once assumed no one controls media so much, apart from North Korea, to be able to propagate another reality. My mistake was not taking into account how big tech and ai follow political agenda, making people question reality, coupled with targeted marketing, changing history and education and superhuman persuasion. By the way, when Germany goes to shit as well, (again) because of AfD, having known will not help anymore.

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      The annoying thing is those of us that know what is going on feel like we’re screaming into the void.

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        it’s heartbreaking to be helpless and afraid, even here in Europe. Must be terrible for you. I wish for you to stay strong and get through this somehow

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      I disagree; plenty of people do deserve this. People who voted for him obviously, but also people who defended the system that produced him and/or the evil shit his predecessors did. I wish all genocide supporters in particular a happy visit to an ICE detention center/concentration camp.

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        Idk man. Seems bitter. Most people did not want this. Many were misinformed or had bad education. No reason to doom a nation with this amount of suffering and reducing their life expectancy. There are so many good people in the US.

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          Most people did not want this.

          Yes, because it affects them. There were people who were fine accepting everything that led up to this because they thought they would come out scot-free. This isn’t what they wanted, but it is a consequence of what they wanted that they were warned about repeatedly.

          Many were misinformed or had bad education.

          Willful ignorance is not an excuse.

          There are so many good people in the US.

          You can find anything in a nation of 340 million people. What I said still applies to the vast majority. I’ve seen how even center-leftist Americans talked about even the most lukewarm anti-imperialism (thinking of Uncommitted here); a majority of even the people who claim to care are never going to do anything about it.

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    Don’t worry, everyone.

    The Treasury just declared the US is insolvent. We can’t afford the WARS either.