Destroying America’s democracy and welfare state was a collaborative project; something can be both Obama’s fault and Reagan’s fault.

And do… what, exactly? Europeans don’t want to touch this mess with a 10ft pole (they might, but it won’t be because of this), the Gulf is already on America’s side, Russia only stands to gain from this, China is already getting free passage and neutral countries for the most part have no way of pressuring Iran here. That’s the thing about being a pariah state: They already have nothing to lose.

I mean 99% of the time it is, but on this specific topic Obama actually did a good job.

That’s the image they like to project (the first half, anyway), but Israel traces surprisingly little of its descent to Holocaust survivors. Most of its Jewish inhabitants are either Middle Eastern or East European (neither group immigrated to Israel en masse during the Holocaust), and its founders were all already in Israel by 1939.

You seem to have no concrete idea for what should be (or even have been) done. You should have one if you want to have a conversation about this. And no, “vote for peace” (the fuck does that even mean) and “keep pushing for human rights” (see before) don’t count. Your current position is basically “if Palestinians are nice they’ll get a happy ending through the power of friendship.”

so I honestly don’t know

Then, no offense, everything you just said is worthless. You can’t condemn violent resistance without having a realistic proposal for peaceful resistance.

But if the chance comes up where Isreal looks for a peaceful solution, I would hope that Hamas stops firing rockets at them.

That’s the whole point of the rockets. Hamas pretty much accepts a two-state solution (though in different terms, because Hamas considers Israel illegitimate and refuses to recognize it).

No I expect the Irish to keep fighting to this day and bomb people in London next week. Never stop fighting!!! /s?

Are you fucking kidding me? The Irish got an acceptable settlement in Good Friday, so they’re not bombing London anymore. They bombed the shit out of Brits and Loyalists before Good Friday, which is what Palestinians are doing. The Irish didn’t get their freedom by fucking magic.

there have been plenty of peace talks scuppered by the Palestinians extremists (just as there have been by the Israeli extremists).

Example? If there are many, give what you consider the best example.

But unless we find a way to realize violence on BOTH SIDES is bad, it’s not going to be possible to find a solution.

Then what are Palestinians supposed to do? Pray? When peaceful resistance fails, violent resistance becomes the only solution. Violence is only bad if there’s another option available; no such thing is available to Palestinians. Again, have you seen the state of the West Bank? That’s what the peace you’re asking for looks like. Your refusal acknowledge this means your position is built on magical thinking divorced from reality.

You’re a terrible human being and I hope a fascist throws you into a concentration camp. Goodbye.

These conditions are there to prevent them from killing more people.

And/or defend themselves the next time Israel comes knocking. Their occupation of more Syrian territory in 2025 certainly doesn’t inspire confidence.

If you’re referring about the war of '82 I assume you have either a very, very onesided or a very, very rudimentary view on that part of history.

No I’m referring to Shebaa Farms and the outposts they refused to leave in Southern Lebanon after the ceasefire, but yeah the Israeli invasion of '82 too.

Because only Israeli violations fucking kill people wth is this question? Also I like how you ignored the bit about occupying Lebanese territory.

Your attempt to whitewash the Israeli invasion of Lebanon (brutal enough that even Reagan told them to dial it down) was not missed.

But neither seems like a valid reason to keep attacking Israel today

Are Israel’s near-daily ceasefire violations and its occupation of Lebanese territory reason enough?

Do… do you know why Hezbollah was even founded? For a hint, here’s a literal former Israeli PM on the topic:

In 2006, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak stated, “When we entered Lebanon … there was no Hezbollah. We were accepted with perfumed rice and flowers by the Shia in the south. It was our presence there that created Hezbollah.”

Hamas, in one form or another, has been attacking Isreal for many decades.

One doesn’t become a victim due to being attacked; it takes being unjustly attacked to make one a victim. This makes certain individual Israeli civilians victims, but not Israel as a whole.

Just like the people of Gaza could have voted for a government that strived for a peaceful solution, but chose a violent one

With all due respect, this is the most historically illiterate thing I’ve read today. The only reason Hamas even exists is the complete and utter failure of peaceful solutions. And of course they failed; what, did you also expect the Irish or Algerians to strive for peaceful solutions? Rejecting peaceful solutions has been Israeli policy for longer than Israel existed. Hell, the current state of the West Bank should tell you all you need to know about what “striving for peaceful solutions” looks like,.

TF do you mean “apologist?” Hamas being a (and, in fact, by far the biggest) Palestinian armed resistance organization and the fact they do a lot of evil shit are two facts that can be true at the same time. That doesn’t mean supporting Hamas is victimizing Israel.

Iran has been arming resistance to Israeli colonialism for decades, but that does not in any way make Israel a victim. Palestinians and Lebanese have the right to defend themselves, and Iran has the right (and, like the rest of the world, moral duty) to help them defend themselves.

Victims in what way? They’re only taking an infinitesimally fraction of what they’re dishing out. A serial killing getting scratched every now and then isn’t my idea of victimhood.

No but they seem to overwhelmingly support their military’s actions. (Likely erroneously) assuming a uniform distribution, out of these 115 about 107 or so are in fact FAFOing.

I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.

fuck the people in it.

Now that’s going too far. There are decent Jewish Israelis (though they’re an overwhelming minority), and of course 1948 Arabs have nothing to do with this.

Uh that’s clearly a metaphor, the intended meaning being that the current generation of global elites has no reason to fear the masses because the masses haven’t done enough to make fearing them necessary. “All the world’s ills stem from lack of corporal punishment” is outrageous enough that you should consider the possibility that you misunderstood.

Who said anything about 6 years olds? We’re talking about physically abusing 60-year old warmongering gerontocrats.