Oh the supreme court is rotten no argument there, but he’s not being tried by the supreme court, at least not yet. The regime would have to appeal decisions at multiple levels before getting there, and by that point it won’t matter anymore.

I expect a kangaroo court.

I don’t. The US justice system isn’t that compromised just yet. It’s only really stacked against the poor; if you can pay enough (which Maduro presumably can) you should be able to expect a somewhat fair trial.

If you’re from the US, then that someone is you and your fellow Americans. If you’re not, then you’d need (a lot more) Americans to get off their asses first, which I wouldn’t bet on personally. It’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

Just, how long would it take for the people there to free themselves?

However long it takes. Historically a foreign invasion only pushes the timer further back, doubly so when (neo)colonialism is involved.

Thought about them. What now?

I wish everyone involved in that “raid” a slow and painful death. “Endangering US troops” my ass those assholes deserve to be endangered.

Obviously, letting Israel get away with bombing Gaza and other Palestinian areas is part of that trend.

My point is that it’s not a “trend;” Israel has been committing atrocities against Palestinians since before day 1 and it didn’t affect their international recognition one iota. Then they committed more atrocities and were rewarded with international trade, investment and arms. Even after they recognized the State of Palestine they kept encroaching on its territory. There is no time in history when Israel didn’t get away with bombing Palestinians, and this trend holds elsewhere. International law has never applied to great powers in any meaningful sense; it’s always been a cudgel for beating smaller powers when they get out of line.

This was a strong era of international law and legal regimes were added and became increasingly more binding, not the other way around. When the USSR collapsed and Germany was unified 1989-1991 many started to envision an ‘end of history’ as the world would converge into a global liberal order etc.

Clearly the US and its allies never felt the need to follow these legal regimes, if their behavior during and after the Cold War was any indication. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change#1945–1991:_Cold_War. This optimism you’re talking about was nothing more than naivety that never reflected the real world, is my point. When did international law ever restrict American imperialism? Soviet? French? British? The only real difference now is that Westerners can’t ignore this stuff any more; as someone from the third world I can tell you nobody I never felt like I or anyone else were protected by international law. Iraq alone is conclusive proof that the rules based order was a farce. What you’re describing is the West losing faith in the farce they created; nobody else had any faith in this shit in the first place.

I’m not sure when exactly, probably 2010ish.

If there was ever such a thing (there wasn’t), there’s no way it can be argued to have survived the War on Terror, so it has to be before 2001.

If 23 years ago counts as “modern,” yes.

Not your goddamn business. It’s literally that simple.

There’s “building codes require a safe room” dangerous" and there’s “I might actually get lynchrd” dangerous. Exposure to the latter will allow people to accept the former.

Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class.

Nor really. I can hate both the abusers and their enablers.

The American people are not a fucking monolith.

Sure, but how many Americans have ever acted against their government’s imperialism? 1%? 5%? 10%?

What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together.

I… gave examples to support my point. What? Do you want an exhaustive list of every instance of American imperialism apologia?

It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost

Then I’ll make a falsifiable prediction: No imperialist escapade the American ruling class tried to manufacture consent for has failed to get off the ground within the last 30 years.

So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far.

It went to far in the sense that it implied the American working class chooses to engage. That’s wrong; (most) Americans allow the choice to be made for them and either passively refuse to do anything about it or actively shut down serious attempts by people who want to do something about it. That’s not much better.

Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.

Am I allowed to blame people who defend the system, then? What about people who have nothing but excuses for why they totally definitely have to comply with the system? The point is: Everything I’ve seen since I’ve started following American politics has only managed to convince me that America is unsalvageable in the medium term and the world would be better off if it was broken down into smaller and weaker states. Fingers crossed for civil war.

We are quickly sliding back to a world of great powers, where might makes right and hence smaller countries will be bullied into submission without any concerted opposition by what remains of the ‘international community’.

I’m sorry but if you think this wasn’t already the case I have a West Bank village to sell you.

Everything you just said has been the case for decades. Consequences didn’t happen then, won’t happen now.

The next US president should finally join the ICC and give retroactive authority to prosecute anyone associated with the current US regime.

Not gonna happen. Trump is especially blatant, but imperialism is bipartisan.

You… you think Trump would be able to do this without support from the billionaire class? It’s impossible to know what Harris would’ve done if she was president now, but it’s not like she was a principled anti-imperialist.

The USA has also done a great deal of good things

Name five good things America did for the Global South.

To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit.

The parent comment went too far, but I’ve seen too many supposed progressives deriding pro-Palestinian protesters and carrying water for Genocide Joe to let your average American off the hook. The American working class may not be making the decision to engage in imperialism, but it keeps defending them and allowing them to happen. It’s the American working class that says “thank you for your service” after their “boys” blow up people on the other side of the world. Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class, so at this point I don’t have too many tears to shed now that it’s blowing up in their faces. Death to America.

It’s not. If the West becomes too dangerous Jews there will for the most part have no choice but to go to Israel, giving them more bodies for their fascist project. This is not a bad thing for them as long as they can count on support from Western antisemites.

Wait, why is there a dangerous polio vaccine?

Outside of a straight up invasion (and even then, it needs to be successful), imperialistic warmongering dictators only provide cover for the current ruling class. If Iranians succeed this time, it will be in spite of Israeli and American warmongering, not because of it.