Yeah that’s not “potato potato” that’s called fucking lying. Criticizing the options offered and preaching disengagement are two completely different things. It’s completely possible to denounce genocide Joe and “nothing comes to mind” Harris and call not for less, but for more (and more radical) engagement. No way in hell, say, Uncommitted was “preaching disengagement,” and if you feel the need to lie about people for opposing genocide you should seriously reconsider your beliefs.

I’ve never seen anyone here (or anywhere on the Fediverse) actually preach disengagement. Pointing out that both sides suck isn’t preaching disengagement.

You can show your work on this right?

I never said anything about Trump. Biden did something, which is rare for his type, but it’s certainly not enough, and as long as it’s not enough people will keep flocking to the right because the right actually does things (bad things, to be clear, but that’s irrelevant).

I mean, he was president between Bush and Trump at the head of a Senate near-supermajority (at one point a supermajority). A lot of shit happening today could’ve been avoided if Obama had been less of an establishment ghoul; that is how missed opportunities work.

It’s good that Obama is stepping back into the spotlight.

It is, in fact, very bad. As is obvious from his long list of broken promises, Obama is part of the problem, and any advice he gives—indeed, the advice he’s now giving—won’t address what really needs to be done.

Why should we be concerned about neoliberal ghoul#3011’s “advice?” The Nazis keep winning because they, unlike neoliberal ghouls, actually get shit done.

Again with the messaging. The problem isn’t “messaging” it’s that you and your ilk insist on leaving the working class out to dry you capitalist ghoul.

I’m not sure which is more delusional, thinking that this would actually work or thinking that anyone affiliated with the United States (or the West in general) is ever going to be prosecuted by the ICC.

The US always has done heinous shit but it was always under the covers. Not blatantly out in the open.

Uh… Vietnam?

I mean isn’t that what nonsense is?

Not a justification for that either. “Seizing” ships is another word for piracy.

Realistically, there are two possible explanations for why the Democrats are so stubbornly useless:

1. It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.

2. You can’t get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.

Either way the idea that they could “learn” anything fundamentally misunderstands why they do what they do. Their job isn’t to get into power; it’s to make sure you don’t get into power.

Unexpected but not surprising in hindsight. This has been how that worked for a while now.

Yes and no. This ultimately a desire for their elected representatives to just fucking do something, and both Trump and Mamdani promised to do things that will make their lives better. Obviously one of these is a grift, but that’s beside the point.

You’re getting downvoted but I agree. Neoliberals will do nothing but say slightly meaner words to Trump as he kidnaps their constituents.

Wrong method, right answer kind of thing. NATO is far too much of a US sock puppet.

I mean, yes, but this “victory” came at the cost of two hundred thousand dead, God knows how many wounded, twenty years they could’ve used to develop their country and even tighter Taliban control than before the US invasion. Afghans managed to kick the US out, but they did not succeed at defending anything. If I was Venezuelan my lesson from this would be “absolutely don’t get into war with the US,” because such a war would leave their country in ruin just like Afghanistan.

If they do that will you protect them from the wrath of the US war machine? Exactly.

Or the middle option: She’s incompetent but this is what the people guiding her want.