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It is a disastrous deal from Israel’s point of view, analysts said, because it accomplishes none of Israel’s war aims and arguably leaves the country in worse shape on each of them.
I like how they just expect the American government to just prioritize their interests over its own. Like “this is a bad deal because it hurts Israel” then you should’ve fucking shown up when they were negotiating the deal you dingus.
I mean, we’ve already seen them vote for and otherwise support women (including MTG herself) for political office, so it seems this “principle” is pretty flexible/unimportant compared to all the hateful shit they’d like to get up to.
Oh, so diplomacy and hosting an ally’s forces in the name of friendship is a mistake?
When those forces are clearly going to be used to further the ally’s imperialism it’s an immoral act (imperialism doesn’t become better when it’s “in the name of friendship”), but also that’s not what I said. I said letting Trump use the bases for his war against Iran was a mistake, since it brought Iran’s anger on them. They could’ve refused like Spain and Italy did.
Did they fuck. Think you need to brush up on actual facts on who encouraged what. Not that mein fuhrer needed encouragement.
And Obamas deal - which did a lot of good I might add - would still be in place.
Sure? What makes you think I disagree with that?
They’re definitely America’s mistakes, but they’re also their mistakes, the mistake being allowing US bases on their territory to be used in this war. Doubly so for Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, who actually encouraged Trump to do this.
I’m sure European countries dissatisfied with this will implement their own sanctions.
I don’t object to the idea, but man the judge’s justification for why this legally makes sense is downright farcical.
Eh, if they were going to lie they’d have said relations between fascist A and fascist B are as good as ever. There’s no sense in putting out something like this unless it’s the truth.
Eh, not exactly. Netanyahu is the one running Israel, and he’s making plenty of unforced errors on the international PR front, but a lot of what Israel is currently hated for would’ve happened no matter who was in charge. There’s no realistic timeline where Israel doesn’t commit genocide in Gaza; the best case scenario is that the genocide ends by late 2024 rather than getting an intermission in late 2025-early 2026. The only parts of Netanyahu’s conduct that don’t reflect the views of the Israeli public and political establishment are the bad PR and ignoring the hostages; putting Gazans in their place via blood and iron is largely uncontroversial.
TL;DR: Netanyahu’s unforced errors are making Israel more hated than it’d have otherwise been, but the core reasons for international public opinion turning against it would’ve been there no matter who was in charge.
Counterpoint: Countries are fully capable of being cancers. Case in point: Israel.
Unfortunately most of the Middle East is run by US puppets, so Hezbollah/Lebanon can expect very little external aid from countries not named Iran. Syria’s current government would also (quite justifiably) rather die than give Hezbollah any support. There’s just not enough juice in Lebanon for a Ukraine. A Vietnam is absolutely possible if they tey to occupy territory though.
I… uh… think the Dutch ruling class is quite used to being on the wrong side of history.
In the same breath you call Hillary a terrible politician then admit you weren’t around so you don’t know any details.
I mean yes; I know the gist of why she was a terrible politician but I’d have to do some research to provide receipts like I could do for Harris on the spot.
You are underestimating how many people in the right geographical areas of this country will NEVER vote for a woman for president.
Then enlighten me? How many people in the right geographic areas of this country will never vote for a woman for president? Surely someone has already answered such a high-stakes question.
It’s not a matter of liberals admitting it, it’s that Isreal ramped up and ran out of targets with any military association but kept bombing.
See, you’re proving my point. That’s exactly what was happening under Biden. The UN was warning of a famine as early as mid-2024. Biden himself said Rafah was a humanitarian red line and proceeded to do nothing when Israel took it. If your point is that Israel was engaging in legitimate self-defense until November, then kindly fuck off.
There were so many obvious lies being pushed by both sides that even the extent of Isreal’s atrocities was questionable back then.
No it fucking wasn’t. People were yelling as loud as they could that Israel’s conduct was genocidal as early as October 9th 2023.
I mean sure you can find people who think or do basically anything; I haven’t seen any evidence that this is a significant group of people, even though if it was it’d show up on polls before and after the election. I’d also bet good money no such evidence exists, because if it did libs wouldn’t shut up about it. Meanwhile plenty of evidence exists that the most significant factors in Harris’s loss were the genocide and her being a rightwing ghoul.
times were a bit different then, that was before Isreal just started to murder civilians blatantly en mass.
No, it’s just before liberals started admitting that Israel was blatantly murdering civilians en masse. This had a lot more to do with a Republican being in charge than the actual blatant mass murder of civilians, which had been going on since October 2023.
And I wonder why?
Because you like Harris and don’t want to accept that someone can have a valid reason to hate her guts.
This is more of a rant than a response to anything I actually said.
all of them were objectively worse off.
I generally agree with you, but I thought real wages went up under Biden for low income earners? What metric are you using here?
We’re not talking about the right, though; we’re talking about the left and center. You know, the people who voted for Obama, and who would be expected to vote for a Democratic candidate. Why even care what the right thinks?
Acting like it’s currently the environment of 2008 is blind.
Sure, but that cuts both ways. Just like the right is more fascist today, the left and center-left are more progressive and more willing to listen to radical voices. Your implicit assumption that all of America shifted rightwards doesn’t match up with reality.
convince too many leftists that there’s something wrong with her for some reason.
I mean there is plenty wrong with her (TropicalDingdong makes a good case in that regard), but she’s the best realistic option barring a new national-scale Mamdani.
I mean do you even have reasons for thinking Harris was so bad?
Yes, plenty in fact.
Potato potato really. Either they refused to participate because they’re fascists who don’t want peace, or they weren’t invited because they’re fascists who don’t want peace.