I wish we had a functioning justice system. Seeing these fuckers marched off to jail would be so great.
The USA founders kept children as sex slaves? Details on this?
Sally Hemming met Jefferson when she was 14 and assigned to his daughter. There’s no “this is when he began raping her” date but historians believe she was in her teens.
buckle up, you’re about to learn some truly disturbing shit https://cdn.masto.host/socialmarxistnetwork/media_attachments/files/116/223/022/167/204/299/original/9764ae0811b84558.mp4
I’m curious but this video doesn’t seem to play in mobile on FF or Chrome
can try this link instead https://social.marxist.network/@yogthos/116223022810878412
I never watched Hamilton, because I can’t stomach more singing hagiography.
I would watch a remake involving late-18th century Epstein files, though.
That worked, thank you!
Open in browser then. It’s a .mp4.
Uhm yeah I tried that on Firefox and Chrome lol
Most of the founding father owned slaves. Raping slaves was not an uncommon practice at the time and there were no restrictions on the appropriate age of the slaves one rapes. Thomas Jefferson may have started his “relationship” with Sally Hemming when she was 14.
I think it would take a decent effort to get clear proof about the founding fathers raping child slaves, but it is known that they owned slaves and many had illegitimate children with slaves and raping child slaves was a common practice at the time so I think it’s a strong possibility.
This part is accurate the capitalist part isn’t though
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Lol, they want Clinton to be as dirty as Trump so badly.
Nice fantasy world you’re living in.
lol, libs want to cling to the idea that their oligarchs are the good ones so badly
The good ones? You know there’s a difference between “This oligarch is good” and “Both oligarchs are bad, but one is substantially worse”, right?
It’s like saying cancer is worse than AIDS.
I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.
How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.
I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?
If you’re in the mood for yet another mindfuck today, your federal taxes don’t actually pay for anything. Previously.
I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.
There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.
Both Clintons are in the Epstein files hundreds of times. They also both happen to be war criminals.
Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.
The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.
Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.
maybe even raped children
but
I swear, it’s impossible to parody lesser-evilists because you’re all self-parodies at this point.
Step back and realise that you’re trying to quibble about levels of evil between child rapists.
Seems to me that once you reach raping children stages there’s no need to split hairs further.
Fair. I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide. But I can see your POV.
Regardless, Clinton is awful but IDK what he did on the island. If he did rape kids then I hope they throw his ass in jail.
I want a worse fate for him if so, however, I don’t want it to be a distraction from the existing Pedo in Chief and their ilk.
There’s no evidence he did anything inappropriate with kids.
Trump, however, has been accused by multiple Epstein victims.
“There’s no evidence this longtime Epstein associate who flew multiple times on a plane called the Lolita Express did anything inappropriate with kids”
Well?
You’re implying that there is.
So where is it? You’re setting expectations extremely high for yourself.
Gonna need that evidence.
You know things are going well for your wealthy rapist of choice when you’re reduced to saying “Well can you prove that he was doing the things that everyone around him was also doing?”
Correct. Epstein had connections to his charities. Was for humanitarian work.
You think Trump released the files with more evidence of him fucking kids than Clinton if there was any other option?
Yeah man the president of the united states totally needed the funding and connections of a known pedophile in order to do some vague, nondescript “social work”.
Were the Virginia planters keeping sex slaves capitalists though? Most of the capitalists at the time were up north where slavery was illegal by the founding.
Doesn’t living in luxury while building wealth on the labor of others count as capitalism?
Not by itself, agrarian slavery is different from industrial wage labor under private owners.
No, that could be feudalism or lots of things
Not if you’re applying situational context. The American slave trade was intended for entirely capitalistic and sadistic means.
Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?
projecting lol
Americans are always amazed that different countries have different histories.
I’ve heard similar things about “aren’t all countries founded on native genocide?”
Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.
Founded by capitalists that kept children as sex slaves — Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?
Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.
Vietnam.
This silly, idealist question isn’t the gotcha you think it is.
Actually it’s pretty foundational anarchist doctrine.
Idealism?
I guess?
But I was referring to the innate immorality of the state.
But I won’t deny a certain amount of idealism is required to be an anarchist.
Just to be clear, by idealism we mean the conception that thought is prior to matter, ie supernatural explanations for material phenomena. We do not mean having ideals. An example of idealism is ascribing a morality to the state to begin with. There is no such thing as a supernatural “good or evil,” and that’s why Marxists reject such frames of argument.
Are you sure you understand what idealism means in this context?
Christianity is anarchist doctrine?
Christianity is whatever we want it to be.
You’re bolstering my case, given anarchism’s track record. Communism is founded on historical materialism, not on morality or idealism.
But you don’t have to subscribe to communism to get value out of letting go of moralism.
Cool nobody asked.
just because you lack any inquisitiveness on your part, don’t assume the same for everyone else
Ireland?
Ballyseedy massacre etc.
Ireland is a bourgeois democracy, otherwise known as a bourgeois dictatorship.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:The_German_ideology#Ruling_class_and_ruling_ideas
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas.
The world’s tax haven now but I’ll go with ya for a cool thousand years.
certainly true for capitalist ones
And now I remember why I have tagged as a defender of Rhodesia.
Right, because I stated historically accurate facts 🤡 Just like I did here. Lemmy.ml users are such a joke.
Any time you see someone claim they were “just stating facts” you can guarantee they are saying complete nonsense
Oh look, on of my favorite trolls crawls out of his hole again after long slumber. Last I checked, Beria was executed while your oligarchs continue to be untouchable. Thank your for providing us with a concrete example of the Soviet system being superior.
Last I checked, Epstein also ended up dying prematurely, while Stalin continued to be untouchable (
who btw. married a 14 year old).Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.
Edit: Ok, apparently Stalin’s second wife was 18 when they married (he was 40 at the time). Sounds like he waited until it was formally legal to do so…
Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.
You’ve been so blackpilled by capitalist realism that you think it makes you enlightened. It’s a form of self-reinforcing learned helplessness.
Stalin’s first wife, Ekaterina Svanidze, was 21 years old when they married in 1906. His second wife, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, was 18 years old at the time of their marriage in 1919.
More Montefiore nonsense no doubt.
Ok, I stand corrected about Stalin not being a totally upstanding person of 40 years old when he married his second wife that just barely turned 18 🙄
This is just silly. Keep moving the goalposts further and further from the founding, child-raping slavers.
Yet still not a pedophile as you were trying to say. Almost like you have an agenda you really want to push. One that really coincides with that of the Epstein alliance.
Epstein was just a harem manager for the rich fucks who continue to run around completely unaccountable. Meanwhile, others already pointed out your attempts to spread misinformation here. I guess carrying water for the empire by trying to do the whole both sides bad is really the core identity for anarchists.
zionist montefiore probably has a totally nuanced perspective to write a biography about stalin, no doubt!
Allegations from Montefiore famous for lying about having access to unreleased Soviet archives, being a rabid anti-communist and being best friends with Ghislaine Maxwell. Certainly not the most reliable source.
You’re not wrong like
no, he’s actually both wrong and dishonest in making a false equivalence there
That’s rich being accused of whataboutism by you 😅
That’s not what whataboutism is, and even when used correctly, it’s often done in bad faith.
Looks like we have another expert in whataboutism here 🤡
when you definitely know what false equivalence is 🤣
