A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I’d agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.
Texas says if I feel threatened on my property, in my car, or at my job, I can shoot first and ask questions later. As a minority I don’t have the luxury of time to determine if you are a threat to my existence.
Fine. There’s more of us than there is of them. They will run out of people before we will.
Yeah, but they have more tanks.
Tanks are terribly impractical weapons.
Okay. They have more
F35sBlackbirdsB2sTomahawksDrones[insert alternative of choice here].A lot of resources to be expended on domestic soil, eventually they’ll run out of both weapons and the very working people they need to keep the economy running to (among other things) keep producing weapons, no?
Yes and no. I think you vastly underestimate the military’s stockpile. So, they could subsist for a good while until all the Democrats/“Domestic Terrorists”/Undesirables are dead. Then, they’d just restart. Still though. If the rural farmers from Afghanistan/Iraq can defeat the US military through persistence with sticks, then the same can be done here. Their tactics might even serve as a roadmap.
And we have more FPV drones.
Those are great for blowing up entire apartment buildings with women and children inside. Not very handy if there are people you do not want to kill.
Mission accomplished
-Republicans
The US oligarchy has repeatedly shown that it is eager to blow up apartment buildings, schools, or hospitals to kill one “terrorist.”
They are hoping for that. I also think it’s the only way things will change. Stay safe.
To a quote Chevy Chase quote “we’re on the threshold of hell!” Our country needs bombed the fuck out. Nuke us from orbit.
The problem is, if you fire at a kidnapper who breaks down your door they will call back up and they aren’t going to stop until you’re dead.
Fuck ICE.
If they’re kicking down my door, I’m fucked either way. Might as well try to take a few with me and make them more hesitant with the next house.
When they kick down your front door, how you gonna come? With the hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun. When the law breaks in, how you gonna go, shot down on the pavement or waiting in death row? You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton The money feels good And your life you like it well But surely your time will come As in Heaven as in Hell You see, he feels like Ivan Born under the Brixton sun His game is called survivin’ At the end of the harder they come You know it means no mercy They caught him with a gun No need for the Black Maria Goodbye to the Brixton sun You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun You can crush us, you can bruise us And even shoot us But oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Shot down on the pavement Waiting in death row His game was survivin’ As in Heaven as in Hell You can crush us, you can bruise us But you’ll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton
They believe they can crush us with this overwhelming brutality. But Nope. We will be like the Irish… never giving up and blowing those mfers up strategically and unendingly. We will not submit.
Always upvote The Clash
Monopoly on Violence. The state has it, until the people reassert it collectively.
That’s really the crux of the issue. The law doesn’t matter when they’re going to kill you before you see the inside of a courtroom
If a person is going to kill you no matter what, what do you gain by not killing them?
Die defending against fascists vs live to see climate change destroy civilization.
So many decisions.
Trump’s plan coming to fruition. ICE agent shot, declare martial law, cancel elections.
Don’t let them choose the battlefield. In your home you should prioritize escaping above all else.
Anyone who wants to fight back effectively will HAVE to take the fight to them.
Wolverines!
Which should be easy enough - just dress as they do - do we have any latent serial killers around? Because this would be a nice chance for them to start racking up kills. Dress up as ICE, kill some ICE goons, then calmly walk away because not even other ICE can tell you aren’t one of them. Some folks might blow whistles and boo you, that’s about the end of the consequences. If you turn up on security footage - well, no, you really didn’t. ICE did.
Right now, they’re not in any real danger, they’re proudboys cosplaying getting others killed. They’ll lose their taste for it if people start defending themselves, then it’ll go to the army. We’ll have to see where that rubber meats the road.
Yeah let’s send their meat down the road
That’s why if the doorkickers come your only thought should be escape. 2A rights should be exercised strategically, tactically and above all, collectively.
So the more you kill the better you K/D ratio becomes :)
Sounds like a problem solved with stockpiling more ammo.
and community collaboration
This one is, by far, the most important.
And learning how to use it
So does the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.
The only problem I see, when the MAGA fucknut ICE goons assault a MAGA fucknut minority home owner, are the stray bullets zipping all over place. Yep, it’s going to be a Cluster Fuck.
Ngl I’m excited to see this footage
Given how these days, simply ringing a doorbell (usually a geezer) s enough to get you shot to death, I am surprised it’s not happened yet.
I’m good with this
Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.
Federal prosecutors are having a real tough time getting juries to convict, and sometimes even indict, citizens accused of assaulting ICE and CBP agents. They have 30 cases against Chicago residents, and so far they’re 0 for 15. They couldn’t get a felony indictment for the sandwich-throwing guy in DC, so they went for a misdemeanor; he was aquitted despite clearly having done it. It is not at all clear to me that the feds could get a conviction for killing someone during what is, legally, a home invasion.
(This is not an incitement of violence towards any federal agents, nor am I advocating for anyone to break any state or federal laws. To any FBI agents reading this, I think you’re very smart and handsome.)
Not disagreeing with you, but a misdemeanour for throwing a sandwich at someone is a joke.
True, but then again, there was that tow truck driver in LA who towed that ICE car, with flashing police lights, in the middle of a stop. I can’t imagine someone getting away with that if it had been a normal LAPD stop.
I’m willing to bet large this DOJ has lost more cases than any other administration previously. It’s hilarious.
They had this grand plan to weaponize the DOJ, but no one stopped to ask, “wait, what if everyone on the jury fucking hates us?”
This is exactly why juries exist. Jury nullification isn’t a loophole or a trick. It’s a built-in defense against unjust laws and corrupted executive and judicial officials.
I don’t think any of the cases have been jury nullification, they keep bringing unreasonable charges and the jury doesn’t buy it.
That’s jury nullification. The sandwich guy is a perfect example.
By the letter of the law, he did commit assault. Nobody denies what he did, but the jury decided it was unreasonable.
they keep bringing unreasonable charges and the jury doesn’t buy it.
There’s a term for that, and the term is “jury nullification”.
This is the exact response that should have been proclaimed 8 months ago. Fuck this stupid goddamn fucking country full of sister-fuckers.
Why should that have been proclaimed 8 months ago when the memo came out this week?
Dems had to focus group and poll test it then lawyer check it.
Also have to run it by a few donors and the leadership in Tel Aviv to get instructions. Whatever happens, maintaining and expanding funding comes before literally everything else.
People been getting snatched up by masked men for that long, the memo has nothing to do with it.
Where have all the “stand yer ground” people been at?
… Dude sorry to break it to you, but they work for ICE
Good news is the people that talk about it like that can’t aim for shit.
A ton of gun buying not a whole lot of gun shooting typically
can’t aim for shit.
which means they will just kill someone else than they aimed for. not sure if it is a win.
I mean, it’s not a win by any means, but if I have to be in a gunfight with people, them not being able to hit their intended target is a massive plus.
I’m not choosing for them to fire. I’ll take all the plus I can get.
ok, that’s fair point
Supporting ICE ready to shoot Americans for fighting back against them.
Well, you know, those “stand your ground” people only think that that freedom should belong to them.
You understand that the memo was released this week, ya?
This is more of a Castle Doctrine issue. We’re at home.
Can’t stand your ground if you’re not at home.
Actually, I’m pretty sure you can depending on the state. Take Zimmerman for example.
Or that one kid, rittenhouse, who put himself into the situation to kill someone.
They are wearing masks in Minnesota, not walking around their neighborhood
These cowards come in heavily armed a dozen at once. Even if you manage to shoot one, you’re as good as dead when the others start firing back.
Sure.
Except if everyone they’re doing this to did the same thing, that would be one less coward every time there was one less victim.
And the country would run out of cowards before it ran out of victims.
There will be shitloads fewer incidents after the first few pigs get blasted, though.
This is a tragedy of the commons where the grass needs to start shooting
Ok, you go first.
I’m not saying go out and shoot people. Hell no. I just want out of the country. I am not interested in being a fighter. My best advice is to do whatever you can to stay safe. I have ZERO fantasies of shooting ANYONE. The Federal Government’s own training when you’re being pursued is 1. Run, 2. Hide. 3. Fight. I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS recommend avoiding conflict whenever possible and to be as far away from conflict as possible.
That being said, I am someone who’s trained with a firearm, and I’m the kind of person who can shoot a target multiple times and leave a single hole. I am also someone who has experienced having a team with multiple high-powered rifles with scopes trained on me at the same time. No, I’m not a criminal. It was a SWAT team and a case of mistaken identity, and you better DAMN well believe that my cool head and capable handling of the situation at the time resulted in me de-escalating the situation and being here today.
But if someone’s breaking down your door (and I’m not specifically referring to ICE) and you’re pretty sure you’re going to die regardless of whether it’s in your home or wherever they’re going to take you next, I think it might be feasible for a significant number of people to hit a single person. It wouldn’t just be one less person doing that to one victim, but that one less person doing it to many many other victims and potential victims.
I want to be perfectly clear. I have no intention of shooting anyone. And I’m not someone who’s likely to be targeted.
There aren’t millions of people busting down doors. Most of those people busting into people’s homes and doing this stuff are people who have done this to more than one person.
I am in NO way advocating believing that you’re some kind of vigilante and going out to hurt ANYONE right now. And I very much AM advocating running and getting out if at all possible.
PLEASE get out, if you can.
But if people react when their home is invaded, I understand it.
I’m the kind of person who can shoot a target multiple times and leave a single hole.
I gotta call BS. Such people dont actually exist when you’re talking multiple shots. Unless you count tightly grouped holes that roughly overlap but also expand the “single” hole. Its extraorindarily remotely possible for it to happen once.
There’s a reason why the left always ridiculed the right’s fantasies of resisting the government with weapons.
I’ve never heard the left do that. That’s pretty much always been liberals. Unless you mean ridicule the right for claiming to not be bootlickers.
Firstly, liberals are the left in the US, unless the context implies otherwise, but I get it, reading comprehenhion is difficult. Secondly, your argument is an anectodal fallacy.
It took no time to find examples: https://x.com/workercouncil_p/status/2014093346591977498 https://x.com/glendaEmoore/status/1552739463180288006
If things continue the way they’ve been going, you’ll be dead either way.
I think its very likely that there wont be another election where they voluntarily relinquish even a tiny bit of power. Even if we have an election it’ll be purely for show.
Cowards, yes! 90% of them will shit their pants and shoot themselves or team kill. They chickened out of military service and are too stupid to become police officers.
Anecdotal reports are that the worse cops in a number of police departments quit to join ICE. Like the cops that other cops don’t like.
Gotta learn how to make bombs cause shooting one won’t be enough.
Front Toward Enemy
I was just thinking of that but I don’t really want to be considered a terrorist. However, I FEEL that my government is enacting terrorism against its own citizens; and the evidence is very clear. They are killing us under the threadiest of pretext. They lie with every word they utter. They have no integrity, just a fulcrum of a pretext… a hinge of bullshit. However, I feel that the elevation of violence will just bring more and probably an insurrection act that will even limit us more. It appears that their actions are targeted to initiate a response… I am of 2 minds on this. I think suspending action will just make the noose tighter. The agreeing in advance kind of thing. Perhaps there is some way that people in free states can communicate without using social media/tracked data and discuss a decent plan. Just spitballing. We were not prepared for this at all and are late.
They are killing us and we’re just supposed to either sit there and take it or chant in the streets for a day or two then go back to work. We can at the very least make them scared that every time they storm a house or try to tackle someone, they’ll get blown up.
Fill a mannequin with tannerite and screws and put it near your front door. Stick a gun in it’s hand or a good looking airsoft gun. Dress it up so it isn’t obviously a mannequin.
Boom problem solved.
Based
The jury would love this kinda case tho. Easy not guilty.
Maybe, assuming you make it out of the encounter alive which seems pretty unlikely. In the pictures and videos of these raids there’s usually at least 6 agents involved. If you drop one or two I don’t think the other four would let you leave or peacefully surrender. If you got all six you might be able to leave or wait for the local PD and turn yourself in to them but all of that sounds pretty unbelievable to me.
As soon as you shoot one, they’ll be calling it in. There is no winning in that scenario
If ICE shows up at your door, demanding entry, you have no recourse. The law no longer protects citizens in their own home
Deadlocks, security (metal) doors, Window grates do.
Guess you’ll have to start keeping a kettle of hot oil above your front porch…
They’ll just shoot you
Then Kristi Noem will make an address telling the world how you were a domestic terrorist who threw boiling oil at brave ICE agents just performing their duties
Pam Bondi will direct the justice department to investigate your spouse, parents, children, and any others they can
Trump will say you were evil and deserved death
Half the country will be outraged that you were killed while defending your own home from a clearly illegal ICE raid
The other half of the country will say, “you were a domestic terrorist who threw boiling oil at brave ICE agents just performing their duties”. They will say, if you did nothing wrong, why are your spouse, parents, children, and others being investigated? An innocent person wouldn’t be related to so many criminals under investigation
They will conclude, “you were evil and deserved death”
The public, sure. When it gets to a jury and they see ICE was doing everything wrong the jury has consistently found people not guilty.
So what you’re saying is directional land mines and hand grenades?
Yeah. And feds could kill you in jail pretrial. Idk mostly held by sherrifs or what in fed cases, but cops are on their side.
Which is exactly why they would make sure it never reaches a jury. ICE will ensure you do not live to present your self-defense claim
You talk as if they aren’t untrained cowards who only face the unarmed.
Federal jury could be stacked, it has been known to happen.
Well Zoners. Don’t miss.
I dont plan to
Okay gun folks, time to defend your homes!
