I had an honest question.
Is it possible this is part of the Epstein files because this picture was sent in an email?
Or is that not how this whole things works?
I genuinely do not know.
What are the consequences?
Consequences? That’s a very 2010s type mentality bruh.
Mmm early 2010s maybe. It got weird around 2016.
don’t you know that that word disappears from your lexicon once you get your first billion
What should the consequences be?
You need to be very loud about your answer to that question, that’s how the world works
So they didn’t release all the files, they removed released files related to Trump and they added fake files into the release? That’s some next level incompetence.
So when are Americans finally going to start protesting? If you’re not going to protest having a child rapist in the office at least protest about the incompetence of the government. The government should do a better job at giving you a believable story to stick your head in the sand.
that aint incompetence, it’s straight up malice
To put it quite simply, Americans don’t know how to protest anymore.
Our communities have been gutted and any support structures destroyed, and we’ve been fed lie after lie for decades about the “proper” way to protest. The only people who can afford to protest are those who have already lost everything and college kids, and they face constant harassment from the progressives for not protesting out of sight where they can be easily ignored and violence from the conservatives and cops with no repercussions.
Everybody else has just enough left to be afraid to do anything that would risk losing it, and they have to spend all their energy trying to keep their head above the water anyway, so they don’t have the time or energy to put towards swimming for dry land. Plus a good portion of the population is busy trying to push everyone else’s heads underwater and drown them. It’s the same reason why the Nazis managed to embroil the entire world in a war and commit one of the worst genocides to date while only making up maybe 25% of the German populace at their largest. I think they maxed out around 15%.
Nothing will happen until a certain threshold of the population has nothing left to lose.
They also added every page of the book Massages for Dummies, because why not?
There have been almost daily protests since he took office. Not hearing about them just means they’re being suppressed in the press.
That’s not incompetence
It’s not incompetence, it’s advanced incompetence.
No, it’s not. Why are you so insistent on giving them a pass when they’re deliberately lying to get away with this shit?
Yea, these guys are evil and malicious, but also quite incompetent. It comes with the territory; loyalty is rewarded more than competence. Germany famously had a similar problem of being led by incompetent fuckwits, and that doesn’t mean they were any less evil or that anyone is giving them a pass for anything
Because they literally let photos of Trump with Epstein go through when they removed all other mentions? What is that if not incompetence?
Relax guys, people can be incompetent and evil, no need to argue.
It’s malice.
Incompetent malice.
Or malicious morons if you want an alliterative one.
Oh yes how clumsy of them, dropping a fake photo in with the real evidence. Can’t trust the public sector to do the simplest of
scamsjobs.protests are fucking useless, they are great as a show of force. America needs at least a general strike at minimum.
Protests only work because there’s an implication that if things don’t change, the citizens will take matters into their own hands. When it becomes obvious that protests will cause nothing more than minor disruption, then they lose a great deal of their effectiveness.
Protests don’t solve the problem, but they’re a step in the process of people moving to greater action. Encourage it and build the momentum
The problem is that in the US, the protest is as far as libs will go. they treat it as a parade, and sing “THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE” while doing fuck all.
there was a no kings protests, one of the largest protests in US history, and after it did nothing it escalated into… another identical no kings protests.
great as a first step, but useless if it’s the only step they have.
It’s not the only step, it’s just that half the country has lost its mind and that half seems to have itchy trigger fingers. Meanwhile a huge part lives paycheck to paycheck where they’re not able to just leave and strike to starve themselves and their dependents. Capitalism has the country by the balls.
bullshit. most Americans are so atomised and simply don’t care. other countries they would set the streets in fire for much less.
Other countries don’t risk losing their jobs, home, and life saving after breaking a leg.
that’s because they’ll set the state on fire if those protections/services are removed.
that’s why we are in this mess.
What boggles the mind is how obvious and blatant this is, yet that 42% or whatever the number is of the population of the US will either deny it, or directly support the corruption.
All this feels like we’re leading to some societal “correction”. An economic depression, societal collapse or partial collapse, civil war, something? Who knows what an actual modern civil war would look like, probably unrecognizable to the historical civil war.
I dunno what I’m talking about honestly, just feels uneasy like this can’t be normal obviously. Maybe we just get fascism and end up like Russia? Idk.
Maybe we just get fascism and end up like Russia? Idk.
Stop speaking as if it’s a hypothetical. It’s here, now, currently happening as we speak. Present tense.
I don’t know how many more ways it has to be said to get folks to finally understand…
People still have the misaprehension everything will go back to normal after the next election.
The international community needs to wake the fuck up and fully acknowledge that the Untied States is currently a fascist dictatorship and decide what to do about it. Treat Trump as the criminal he is. Sanction him any way we can. Discourage travel there, maybe even outlaw travel there. Prepare for possible war. Build international trade to be less dependent on the Untied States.
People in the Untied States need to wake the fuck up and acknowledge they’re in a fascist dictatorship and decide what to do about it. Make arrangements to leave if possible. Or band together and fight. Or figure out how you’re going to survive it.
30% support it, and 30% generally oppose it (theoretically), and the rest can’t be bothered. Can’t decide if that group’s worse or just equally bad to the supporters.
Those who ignore evil are complicit with evil.
The 42% will never ever hear anything about this from anywhere they see as more than a tabloid. Some of their children will show them articles from places they’ve never heard of and wouldn’t read and that’s as far as it will get.
Shouldn’t the 58% against it be enough to stop it?
The demographics on the 58% aren’t exactly known for being great at… Nearly anything that would be required here. The right is organized and almost a family whereas we all barely tolerate even each other.
In a working democracy, sure.
either deny it, or directly support the corruption.
They’ll support it because it “feels” true. Even if that one is fake, it “feels” true and so it probably is true. Just because we can’t find truth doesn’t mean that it isn’t the truth.
Truthiness. Colbert didn’t just promise to tells us the truth. He promised to feel the truth at us.
For references:
The Getty image:
The BBC article of the image showing in the Epstein files: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8r38ne1x2mo
So they are the same moments, but from slightly different angles (not just the crop but actually the faces are looking different directions)
So perhaps Epstein was present at this event and took a picture of his own of the same moment the image that ended up on Getty was taken?
Just means that Dianna Ross may not have been involved in anything?
Children censored because they’re underage and not necessarily because they’re victims and they had no idea what was going on and they have no reason to be linked with or harassed by people who are out do so some Reddit sleuthing?
I dunno, this was intriguing at first but this particular photo seems like a big nothing. Unless there is additional context of which I am not aware, it looks like some random photo Epstein took at some public fundraiser. Proof he was there I guess.
They will just say they’re canary files that were already in there. Epstein was running some sort of spy related pedophile ring, so media will buy it.
It’s all shocking, but in reality we are just peasant it seems like, since we really aren’t revolting like France does. Shit even Brazil is better at this than us the “beacon” of the free world.
Almost fuck all happened after the Snowden leaks
Almost fuck all happened after the Panama Papers
Almost fuck all will happen with this clown show
America is sad
Yes but this time it’s different, not that fuck all will happen, but it’s about something that almost everyone disagrees with.
The first two are bad to an educated person, but if you were to do some polling, you would see a good chunk of the population supporting surveillance or being fully anti tax.
Pedos are something else, it’s almost comically evil and honestly, it reduces political polarization.
I don’t think there will be justice, I just hope we get class solidarity as regular people realize it’s an elite club and they aren’t in it.
You underestimate the ability of the American populace (Republicans) to handwave away and justify any action so long as it’s their team who’s guilty. It won’t be long until they’re arguing about the distinction between pedos and “minor attracted people” and ephebophilia.
Oh, don’t worry about Brazil. Our great congress passed a law that would reduce Bolsonaro’s prison time to just 3 years.
At least you got prison time though. Our cheeto is going full musselini.
If only he’d see the same end as Mussolini, but the american people won’t do it. Trump could personally execute people in the streets, and the american people would still be like “I’m going to write a VERY strongly worded comment about this on Twitter! I’ll even add a funny gif so people know I’m really serious!”
Trump famously said he could shoot someone in public in broad daylight without losing any supporters
If only he’d see the same end as Mussolini, but the american people won’t do it.
Where you from cowboy?
Denmark
So, you have a pretty great life, yeah? No worries about money, job security, healthcare, etc. You haven’t even had need to protest? It’s real easy to encourage violence from a country that treats their people right.
Um, they need us to do our jobs and stop this bullshit cause it’s fucking with the whole world
And it’s even easier encouraging violence when Europe is the next victim of your fascists. Everything you do in USA rubs off on Europe, because that is the cultural impact y’all have been dying to establish through the past 80-ish years, but for some reason I’m just supposed to not give a shit and let your lunatic politicians try to influence our way of life? Fuck that. Take care of your fascists, we’ll have to soon enough too, when we don’t just have to deal with russian influence, but american too.
Because people in countries that have had revolutions were cashed up, gainfully employed, and at peak physical and mental health before they decided to change their country?
I’m not saying these aren’t factors in mobilising the people, but America has crossed line after line; shown time and time again that the ruling class wanted them dead, and yet they sit on their hands because ‘things could be worse’.
Would you prefer scallopini?
I’m holding out for calamarini myself.
I get people that won’t put any effort in…
But why are you spending your free time online lying about politics and what actions others are taking?
Or if you’re going to claim ignorance, why not spend your free time learning about what’s happening instead of making random uninformed guesses on social media and trying to sound confident?
Like, why are you doing any of what you’re doing right now?
Is this one of those “discussion is important” devils advocate things where you just say random shit to drive engagement? You know that’s just trolling, right?
No one knows how, I think. There’s a quality here similar to the Fight Club scene about the homework to start a fight. He sprays the guy with the hose. The guy eventually attacks but is that what would really happen? Or would the real reaction be fast walking or running away?
Also. Inertia is a force that drives human behavior. Most people have a hard time saying no or offering a contradictory opinion when face to face with someone. That’s who you expect to protest and take initiative?
People did do some of this in response to George Floyd. But let’s be realistic here. Would any of that happened if people weren’t already off work indefinitely, a little stir crazy, and filled with a need to go where other people are? Remember, even the storming of the Bastille only happened on a first sunny day after weeks of horrid weather that kept people inside.
You can’t picture yourself doing anything
You haven’t done anything
So you assume everyone else is the same as you, it’s the same low empathy that we used to only see from Republicans.
…again
Epstein reportedly collected a lot of documents. Not everything he kept is related to his criminal activities. Investigators often seize entire collections, even if only part is relevant. The Epstein Files Transparency Act requires the DOJ to release the files, and they did. To say the White House has been caught is ridiculous and is extremely ignorant and naive.
Also, the Epstein Files Transparency Act is very poorly written. To put a 30 days hard deadline is unreasonable. What if DOJ doesn’t have enough manpower to go through all the files? Are they supposed to release the unredacted files anyway and expose the victims, minors and US intelligence?
On your first point, ok, fine, perhaps some ‘save image as’ were in the files and people had no idea what it was… maybe… I think that’s a long shot, an odd image to retain without context of a related article or document clearly indicating what it is… It really strains credibility, but maybe possibly a misunderstood inclusion…
Ostensibly, they were supposed to be prepared to release the files ‘day 1’ of the administration, so they have had pretty much all year knowing this should be coming and preparing. Even if for some reason the deadline was unreasonable, it seems odd to just say nothing about that, not negotiate a different timeline with congress or something. It seems clear they were hoping that passing and have Trump sign that bill compelling the release was good enough optics and follow-up with token gesture was expected to be good enough. Which was absurd because Trump could have just done this anytime he wished, and for all the things he shouldn’t do unilaterally but does anything, this is where suddenly congress has to be all aboard…
busted, lol
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Those are two different photos. Why is no one noticing it?
Because clearly they were taken within seconds of each other
Doesn’t change the fact. It is NOT a publicly available fund raiser photo, as it is claimed.
Additionally, how should someone know those are the kids of them? Those are different photos, one was used as a fund raiser photo, the other one stayed private. The person having to go through all the documents to censor them had a simple assignment: censor current active politicians and everybody who looks younger than 18.
So literally everything in this tweet is just blatantly wrong.
And no one notices.
Gotta love watching misinformation spread.
And based on the downvotes, misinformation is really valued on lemmy. Oh well, too much lead in pipes. It shows.
Holy shit, are you wilfully stupid? Or just a bootlicker?
Obviously whomever put that in the Epstein files implicated Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson of raping little kids. With the “proof” being a photo of them together and children with their faces redacted.
The reality is, those people were together because of a fundraiser and photos of them being together are public. They show the exact same people in the exact scene taken within moments of each other. The context is clear, the people present are being named and their purpose of being there is explicit. This totally refutes the story of whomever tried to put that picture in the Epstein files.
No it isn’t the exact same picture. Because one was taken by a photographer that ended up in possession of Getty and made public. The other was taken by another photographer and did not end up in possession of Getty. It might have been public in some sort of publication, or it might have been in some kind of private collection.
Either way, the picture refutes the story being spun and casts doubt on the entire narrative. And further more casts doubt on the actual release of the Epstein files which should have been a factual release and has now shown to be partly fictional. It doesn’t matter that it isn’t the exact same picture…
Obviously whomever put that in the Epstein files implicated Bill Clinton and Michael Jackson of raping little kids. With the “proof” being a photo of them together and children with their faces redacted.
The point is that it probably wasn’t planted in the files. It’s a different photo taken at the same time and location. Maybe Epstein had it in his collection for whatever reason with no attribution. Dude got around to parties, mostly including legitimate ones like fundraisers. That’s kind of the problem with most of these photos.
Either way, the picture refutes the story being spun and casts doubt on the entire narrative.
What narrative? The only information we have to go on is what’s in this short tweet.
Being a dick like that probably warrants the downvotes though.
They’re different angles dumbass. Almost like there was the news there.
Ohh so when only the angles are different, it counts as the same photo. Gotcha. US education I guess?
