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I think that’s even more of a reason not to introduce him to people.

No, but if you want a “fuck you” you can get one for being fucking disingenuous. Forever and ever baby, nothing is going to take that away from you.

I’m not going to continue talking in circles. I’ve addressed what you said in two ways. First I asked

And perhaps more importantly, has his military career made him more pro American foreign policy or more anti American foreign policy?

Which you continued to ignore. And since you weren’t interested in having that conversation I responded with:

Whatever, it’s not my job to change your opinion. If you want to hold every mistake he’s ever done over his head go ahead, just don’t fall off your high horse. And if it’s such a deal breaker continue voting for the politicians who have seen war only in movies and have no guilt over sending youth into a meat grinder.

There’s no discussion to have here. You’re hellbent on hating the guy so the only way for me to treat you is the same way you treat him, which means I don’t give a shit that you’re now conceding that “gleeful” was hyperbolic, you already made your mistake so you’re forever disingenuous.

I gave you the bare minimum of doing the google (which I shouldn’t be doing in the first place because it’s on you to prove your statements) and found literally nothing, so unless you can cite your source I’m going to stand by what I said.

I don’t know if he needs to be recognized. That guy is such an enigma I literally can’t tell if he’s the ultimate edgelord taking the worlds biggest shit on society or an actual neonazi coating his ideology in post-ironic comedy.

Gleefully? Fucking gleefully? Could you be any more disingenuous?

Whatever, it’s not my job to change your opinion. If you want to hold every mistake he’s ever done over his head go ahead, just don’t fall off your high horse. And if it’s such a deal breaker continue voting for the politicians who have seen war only in movies and have no guilt over sending youth into a meat grinder.

Is he still in Abu Ghraib? Is he still murdering civilians? Is he still working at Blackwater? And perhaps more importantly, has his military career made him more pro American foreign policy or more anti American foreign policy?

He was a crayon-eating dum-dum. It’s pretty clear somewhere along the line he stopped being a crayon-eater and grew up. 10-20 years ago I wasn’t a crayon-eating dumbass but I was a neoliberal dumbass, now I openly criticize neoliberalism for being fucking stupid. People change and I doubt Platner holds the same views he had 20 years ago when he was a dumb grunt.

You really believe he knew it was a nazi tattoo and still chose to get into politics on a platform that is the direct opposite of the establishment? And somehow not knowing the establishment would turn over every rock to discredit him and a nazi tattoo would easily kill his political career. And then also piss off all the nazis by publicly covering it up? And also not have the insight to side with the republicans where Stephen Miller literally plagiarizes Goebbels to give a public nazi speech? If he wanted to be a nazi politician he would’ve had far easier time being that by siding with the republicans and not run on a platform that pisses off both republicans and democrats.

I’m drawing the conclusion that he was a dumb ass crayon eating marine who got his tattoo vetted (multiple times) by the USMC and didn’t think anything more about it. Because the alternative is that he’s the biggest moron on the planet and Nick Shirley exists so he’s obviously not the biggest moron.

I don’t know. I got kinda suspicious after the fifth time he said Iran is done. I think he might be lying but I’m not entirely sure yet.

You’re missing the point. It’s not about opposing Israel through voting, it’s the questionable correlation between voting and the actual popularity of the song. The televotes are supposed to be based on popularity of the song because voters vote for the songs they like the most. There should be a strong correlation between the amount of votes a song gets and the amount of listens it gets on a streaming service because why would you vote for a song you don’t want to listen to. Last year Israel got the most votes from the public, their song has listened only 17 million times on Spotify. Meanwhile the runnerups Estonia and Sweden both had 120 million listens. In fact if you look at previous years pretty much all televote winners have had a lot of listens (the lowest I saw in the last 5 years was around 80 million). It’s only Israel who wins the televote but can’t even reach 20 million listens. The correlation that should be there simply isn’t there.

Big brain mode by Trump? Don’t need strong borders when you make everyone American.

This is exactly why I don’t like this hard “billionaire” line. Because it detaches the argument from how they amassed their wealth and instead focuses on “they’re wealthy so it’s bad”. I don’t know enough about Swift to know if she in the socialist sense “earned” her wealth, but let’s say that she did. Let’s say her labor is that valuable and within the framework of of what she can reasonably influence she hasn’t deliberately exploited anyone for her benefit. If she put in the labor and walked away with a billion, what is wrong with that? Are we supposed to virtue signal and claim that she should’ve gone above and beyond to make sure every penny was ethically obtained? Are we supposed to perpetuate the capitalist misinformation that socialism is when you’re not allowed the fruits of your labor is it makes you too rich?

And are we also supposed to turn a blind eye to all the investor leeches who do no actual labor but take a profit margin from the labor of others? You know, as long as their wealth stays below a billion. Are you some kind of an ethical capitalist if you give away every penny that would make you a billionaire?

Yes, the vast majority (if not all) billionaires haven’t earned their billions but I think we should be emphasizing how they made their billions instead of the fact that they have a billion. It’s far more important to get rid of the leeches than it is to get rid of billionaires. Even if there aren’t any ethical billionaires getting rid of them isn’t going to get rid of all the multi-millionaires who are doing the same horrid shit.

I brought it up as further proof that the primaries don’t really matter because the primary doesn’t exists as a method of finding the best democrat candidate, it exists as a tool of conformity to squash dissent against the establishment candidate. The “Vote blue no matter who” is the slogan used after the primary to tell people to put their differences aside and vote for the candidate who won the primary. But clearly the “no matter who” part has a secret addendum, it’s actually “no matter who as long as it’s the establishment candidate”.

Had Mamdani lost the primary and ran as an independent the establishment democrats would’ve been up in arms about him sabotaging the chances of the primary winner, who in this case would be Cuomo. But because Mamdani won there’s no outrage from the establishment about Cuomo running as an independent and getting backed by democrats, because that’s who the establishment wanted to win in the first place. Basically Mamdani had to beat the establishment candidate twice because there’s a double standard in place.

What do you think the status quo is? Are you happy with where America was heading to when Trump wasn’t in power? Is the slow crawl into a dystopian hellscape really what you want? That’s the problem with the milquetoast status quo maintainer. A milquetoast establishment candidate does nothing but kick the can down the road. If Harris had won you wouldn’t be having ICE storming Michigan in 2025 and 2026, you’d get it in 2029 or 2030 when Trump or his successor (not JD Vance) would get into power. And if it’s not then it’s going to be the next presidency. The things Trump does right now are not relevant to the discussion because if the votes went a different way those things would just happen at a later date. They’re an inevitability in the current US political climate.

As long as nothing is done to improve the material conditions of the American people you will always have the door open for fascism. Since the establishment democrats are not interested in improving the material conditions in any significant capacity all they’re doing is paving the way for fascism. As people get desperate about their material condition they will start looking for ways to improve your life and those are the exact heartstrings Trump pulled to get the win in 2024. And even if you see through the lies Trump told you’re still left with the choice of kicking the can and letting things slowly get worse or succumb to the apathy and just let things happen. There’s only so many times you can kick the can until you think “what’s the point?”. Or worse you become so desperate that fascism starts to make sense.

The only way to prevent that from happening isn’t to vote for the milquetoast establishment candidate. It’s to build a new party, one that is representing the people not the corporations. And if that’s not possible then prepare for the collapse of the empire and hope you live in a state that gets its shit together. Or you know, just dismiss me as a dumbfuck and go on with your day. At the end of the day if you’re an American you’re going to be the one living through the collapse. I just hope the rest of the world detaches from America before it happens so we can view things from afar.

I also wrote nothing about sex, that was all in your sex-crazed mind.

EDIT: You know what, while we’re at it how about you explain how it’s homophobic. I think it’s actually more homophobic to assume only same sex people are into sticking things into their partners rectums, you know feels kinda like you’re embracing reductive stereotypes here.

Apparently someone kidnapping you, tying you to a chair and sticking a dildo up your ass isn’t torture, it’s just sex. The more you know.

How about this. I’ll change my analogy just for you because your head is so in the gutter you can’t see anything beyond sex. You get waterboarded for 9 minutes or 6 minutes. Do you think the choice matters?

Oh right. I forgot it actually happened because it was such a sham it might as well have not happened. That primary was the equivalent of a democratic election in Russia, which is to say the outcome was predetermined and the rest was just getting the apparatus to show that outcome. If you truly believe that primary would’ve changed anything you’re delusional.

Edit: I’ll also add that the “vote blue no matter who” pretty quickly went to running Cuomo as an independent instead of giving full support to the primary winner, Mamdani. All the slogans of unity and standing together apply only when it’s the candidate the establishment wants.

What primary happened in 2024? Also how did it work out in 2016 when Bernie was running and the party was effectively sabotaging him by backing Clinton instead.

Yeah. And none of it would’ve happened if the democrats had actually tried to appeal to their voters instead of pulling the same “but our hands are tied so we won’t even try” shit they’ve been doing for decades. Do you want a pad on the back for it happening in 2025 and not 2022-2023? Had Harris been voted it would be happening in 2029. You’re missing the big picture. This was always going to happen because there’s no pushback against fascism, there’s only kicking the can down the road.