Israeli foreign ministry posts video of Thunberg’s arrest; vessels carrying about 500 activists intercepted about 75 miles off coast of war-torn territory
hamas will be inspired by the boat trip and make peace. i can feel it. you can feel it.
peace is in the air, thank you greta
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Since when is caring about our planets biggest problems and having the platform and reach to try and make a difference “moving onto the next publicity stunt”
They aren’t wrong their intention is publicity and a stunt is doing something dangerous which this would qualify for. The issue is slanting it as a negative, all protests are publicity stunts that’s like their whole purpose.
“Publicity stunt” has the connotation that you’re only doing it for attention. The commenter is basically saying she’s putting herself in harms way and bringing attention to significant causes just because she’s an attention whore and not because she actually cares about them.
They are literally doing it for attention, but yes I agree slanting it as a negative is unwise and misleading.
That’s why I added the modifier “only”.
They are only doing it for publicity. It’s quite literally getting very publicly arrested to bring light to and test the blockade in court as a matter of international law. What other purpose do you think they have?
Aw does the brave little girl make you feel a widdle inadequate? Time to promote genocide to make you feel strong and powerful like a big brave boy.
So you disagree with her stance? Or just how much attention she’s bringing to the topic? Why does it bother you?
Maybe lowest vote total I’ve seen on Lemmy? Congrats on being universally hated I guess. I never thought we’d all agree on anything but here we are. It’s beautiful.
I saw a full thread of Greta hate on Reddit. Completely unhinged. I think it was r/worldnews. I then argued with someone and they sent me a DailyMail link.
That place is fucking deranged but it’s also a carefully constructed culture where any critical comments towards Israel result in a permanent ban.
I already have them tagged as ‘zionist troll’, shitty takes are their thing I guess
More than your fat ass has done lately.
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Certainly fatter than those of the starving people you’re complaining about someone trying to help.
Great comeback. We’re all so proud of you. /s
Seems like a publicity stunt kinda thing to say, in this context.
Your brain certainly works like it’s mostly useless fat, but it’s probably just empty space in there.
Of all the comments asking you legitimate questions, this is the one you chose to reply to. Says a lot, unlike your reply.
Publicity stunt? Even if that were true, if someone does good for selfish reasons, does it matter to the ones they help? They’ve done a good thing and someone is in a better condition in the end.
Steps of activism:
- Go through court system to challenge a law, be told No because the public don’t want to change the law.
- Change public opinion by doing protest, be told Not here and you wasting people time and they cannot get to work and media doesn’t cover it.
- Change public opinion by doing a stunt, reducing effect on people day to day commute and media is forced to cover it. Be told “it is a publicity stunt and useless” <- we are moving from here.
- Challenge the system with strikes and massive protest, be told you are being angry and destroying public properties.
- Actual revolution, be told you are being a terrorist.
- Successful New system, “Thank you Greta I was supporting you since you start protesting climate change!”
- Failed revolution, “I told you so, you should have stayed home, now let me go back to my two part jobs to afford medical when I get heart attack from eating my favourite fast food.”
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Do you deny the genocide in Gaza?
People with this big brain take always crack me up… they think they’re shitting on her when they’re actually just admitting how successful she is, because her objective is literally to get publicity and attention for her cause.
Man, she’s been doing a lot of publicity stunt to help people. Thank Greta! Someone’s gotta do it and it’s helping.
How’s that bootlicker diet? loose any weight?
Gotta love that smug self-satisfied smile on her face as she enjoys a piggyback ride from the SWAT team.
Thesis elaboration pls
Not for money but fame?
(Not dogpiling, srs post)
Serious question though, how does Greta have money to travel all around the world and do whatever she wants? (Granted the things she wants to do are worldwide humanitarian efforts) but who is funding her food & shelter & clothing & yacht trips?
Man you smacked the hornets nest with this comment.
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oh when did she get arrested? I saw her get illegally kidnapped
Illegally kidnapped? As opposed to, what? Legal kidnapping?
Have you seen what’s going on in the US? Legal kidnapping is definitely a thing.
Yup. But it’s only been a few months since Trump started ruling like Kim Jung Un. I’m not ready to accept this as a new normal. How are we tolerating this?!
I suppose we’re tolerating it one person at a time by simply being in shock and not doing anything at all. Just like I’m doing right now. Laying in bed shitposting all over the internet & making no effort to affect any changes.
This is how Hitler became a genocidal maniac in plain sight while everyone watched, brainwashed, speechless 😵💫
What’s the difference?
Legality. Israel can’t arrest someone in international waters. They can kidnap someone in international waters. But an arrest implies they have any legality to it. They do not. They’re the ones committing a crime not her.
It’s like saying the bank robber arrested their hostages.
Arrest in international waters is actually legal during a naval blockade. If a ship has announced its intention to break a the naval blockade, continues to head for it, and doesn’t react to hails, then it’s legal. Look up maritime law on blockades.
Same as you can arrest a criminal just before committing a crime.
Wrong. Israels actions of blockade and starvation are illegal. Full stop. The law you’re referring to does not apply to a nation in violation of these laws. Israel doesn’t get to point to a law to protect them as they violate other international laws and genocide a population. You’re just wrong. That’s not how laws work. You can’t just read one law and then say “welp, guess they can do this”. They can’t when the very blockade itself is illegal. The blockade itself has to be a legal blockade that does not starve a population of aid and committing acts of genocide.
You’re just so embarrassingly wrong.
Legality is a fiction created by the powerful. I’m saying the word arrest is a synonym for kidnapping. It’s only existence is to mislead people into accepting the violence of our rules against ordinary people.
This is a perfect example. The kidnapping of Greta is blatantly illegal. Yet the world will pretend otherwise. And not because of the law but because of power.
It’s still important to not conflate the two.
While most legal systems are far from ideal, a lot of people appreciate having some semblance of law and order.
An arrest is made when someone is believed to have committed a crime. A kidnapping is the unlawful capturing of an individual.
Enforcers of the legal system (police, ICE, and other 3 letter agencies) carry out both legal arrests and unlawful kidnappings, the latter of which is what’s being discussed here.
The fact that “the world will pretend otherwise” is exactly why it is so important to emphasise the difference between the 2 words.
Nah it’s why we need to challenge this idea that violence done by the state is automatically legitimate. Such as by critiquing the words we’ve created to separate things that clearly aren’t very different in reality.
we need to challenge this idea that violence done by the state is automatically legitimate
That is exactly what the top-level comment was doing.
I never said they did anything wrong, I’m just staking out an additional position.
The use of specific vocabulary is important in how media normalizes the actions of “the powerful”.
What you’re saying is similar to how “died” could be a synonym for “killed”. This was used constantly during the genocide. Israelis were “killed” or “slaughtered” on October 7th. Soldiers in tanks were “kidnapped” that day. But every day in Gaza children just “died”. Like the news articles were describing some natural disaster event and not a genocide. The people spending decades in Israeli prisons camps with no trial were “prisoners” exchanged for “hostages”.
Words matter. Especially when media is forming a narrative. Yes, legality is “fiction” but that doesn’t mean the majority of the Western world doesn’t believe that fiction. The entire idea of a justice system is “made up” it’s power comes from the collective belief in that system and the use of “justified” violence it maintains a monopoly on. You may not believe it. But most people in the west still do.
It is important to call out the inconsistent and unfair use of the vocabulary the media uses to describe Israels actions. If we stop labeling their crimes because “it doesn’t matter anymore, clearly no justice exists” but at the same time that language is still used to describe anyone’s resistance to Israel then they have won the narrative.
I’m not saying don’t call it out. I wish more people would. But I’d like to go further to eliminate this type of propaganda as even an option whenever possible. Some words are too linguistically useful to eliminate but some things like kidnapped vs arrested are literally the same action just different context. There’s no need to ever use the word arrest and its elimination or undermining would weaken abusive authorities and their ability to spin the narrative in ways people don’t question.
Yeah. We just fundamentally disagree then. These words are not interchangeable. I would not say a pedophile was “kidnapped” by the state. The context matters. There is a difference between materialism and dialectical-materialism. You seem to be removing the tool of dialectics and saying only the material action is what matters. The way words are used to shape material actions (or lack thereof) and concent matters.
I mean you can think it’s good for people to be abducted under some circumstances. Maybe you are right, maybe not, but at least then you’d have to justify it. “Arrested” already means justified in most people’s minds. It’s a thought-terminating cliche, and as long as we make that distinction, it will be abused as in this case.
Using less savory words like kidnapping or abduction more accurately relays the severity and violence that’s happening. And yes, violence is sometimes necessary, but it’s still unsavory.
Legal systems are a necessity as long as there are people willing to do violence to others. Ideally, they’ll constrain the use of violence on behalf of the collective to cases where it’s the only way to stop violence being perpetrated by individuals: To arrest them.
Practically, any human creation will have flaws, and nearly all systems will be biased in favour of the powerful. That doesn’t categorically make it useless for the people.
No, Greta was kidnapped
Again.
In fairness, it is her job
Is she related to Princess Peach?
She’s a professional activist. Her job is to get improperly detained
Peach is a hobbyist
So glad those Italian and Spanish ships did…
Absolutely fuck all. Spineless.
It was all for show to appease protestors.
They said from the beginning that they were only there to rescue anyone should they end up in the ocean. Not to protect the aid boats.
The fact that they openly said that tells you all you need to know about thier governments.
bruh, just how much kiddie porn blackmail does israel have on the west…goddamn.
For once, it doesn’t have to be blackmail. The Zionists have Uncle Sam. Relations between the EU and the US are already not the strongest they’ve been. Risking the ire of a large power like that is not exactly smart diplomacy.
Would it have been the right thing to do? Absolutely.
Even on that insane wild-eyed little Italian blondie PM?
It’s stronger… it’s money.
So glad those Italian and Spanish ships did…
Being there likely saved Gretta from getting merc’d by an IDF sniper.
They’re not doing enough, but they’re also not doing nothing.
they did absolutely nothing, stopped following then when they reach the orange line, which is not gazan or Israeli territorial waters, but the heart of the Mediterranean where Israel likes to attack civilians.
They literally turned around before they reached the Israeli boats. So no, that didn’t happen
No, because they left when the flotilla entered the danger zone
I didn’t know that Israel is just casually pirating away in international waters. Weird how that’s not ok when somalians do it.
They shot and killed a 19-year-old US citizen in international waters a decade or so ago, and the international community did this 🙈🙈🙈 because regional stability or some shit
Rachel Corrie, an American activist from Olympia, Washington, was killed by an Israeli military bulldozer in the Gaza Strip in 2003
In the '60s they killed like 30 US Navy sailors and still nothing happened.
Don’t forget that time they detonated a nuclear bomb and nobody held them accountable.
They touched America’s boats???!?
Yep, the only people who are allowed. USS Liberty if anyone is interested
It’s because the Somalis are black
Also, Somalia is not a “necessary” element of the Christian apocalypse.
Wrong imaginary deity as well, I suspect.
Oh phack! Again? Why can’t they just let Gretta win? Its just a few truck loads of food. WTF. This world is just so evil. How can any god let any of this happen?
the IDF/benny cant have a PR campaign against him, her being so infamous internationally brings more attention to the matter. hes already in a tenous position, he wants to stay out of jail from his previous crimes.
rational people would understand that either god doesn’t exist, or that he’s evil and should not be worshipped
Reading the Bible, I don’t know how you’d come to any other conclusion but that God is a Monster.
welp: there’s your problem! right here:
Reading the Bible
I am constantly surprised by how many people worshiping the thing haven’t actually fucking read it. Or just heard some cherry picked platitudes from it in church.
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug
welp
Midwesterner detected
The Epicurian Paradox. God claims to be omnipresent, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent. But the mere existence of evil overwhelmingly disproves this claim:
- If god is able and willing to stop evil, but evil is able to hide from/fool god, god cannot be omnipresent.
- If god is able to find all evil and willing to stop it, but unable to do so, god cannot be omnipotent.
- If god is able to find evil and stop it, but unwilling to do so, god cannot be omnibenevolent.
In any of the three cases, if evil exists, god has been proven a liar in at least one of the three claims. Potentially two, or even all three. But at least one must be true if evil exists. And if at least one is true and god is a liar, why are we following him?
I also agree with this. Sure if one day something does show up, we can change our minds then. I’m sure the evil phuck would understand.
Gaza is under a siege designed to oppress and break the population so that they can’t fight back, israel forces control everything that goes in and use it as a tool to displace people.
No gods no kings
There isn’t one, silly
Exactly! But we should still be good to each other. It feels better when everyone is happy.
Why can’t they just let Gretta win?
I mean… They did, didn’t they? It was never the goal to actually get there. The goal was obviously media attention (again) and we are now commenting under a news article…
Its just a few truck loads of food.
That’s the point… Why let a few influencers enter a war zone with the risk of them getting killed when they could instead easily let a few trucks waiting in front of the boarder enter Gaza?
Risk them getting footage of the absolute devastation more like. Nothing can be allowed in, especially cameras.
Yeah, why doesn’t Israel just let the trucks waiting at the border in? I wager it is the same reason they stopped the flotilla.
Israel is terrorist country. Must be banned from every international organization.
All these powerful men with guns scared of a 22 year old girl in a sailboat.
That’s probably the most compelling argument that ideas are more dangerous than weapons.
I am massivelly curious about what the reaction of Italian dockworkers to the Italian frigate doing jack-shit nothing will be …
Strike called in Italy, protests flare over interception of Gaza aid ships
Italian unions called a general strike for Friday in solidarity with the international aid flotilla for Gaza, while protests sprang up in a number of cities late on Wednesday after reports that the ships had been intercepted by military personnel. In the southern city of Naples, demonstrators got into the main railway station and halted train traffic, while police surrounded the Termini railway station in Rome after protesters gathered close to entrances.
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In the northwestern city of Genoa, the USB announced that it intended to block the port and called on all protesters to gather at 10 p.m. (2000 GMT) at one of the main entrances. Over the past two weeks, protesting Italian dockworkers have prevented various ships from docking and loading, targeting vessels they say were involved in trade with Israel.
I don’t think they expected the crew of that ship to go Last Samurai here
its kidnapping …
Kidnapping or abduction is the unlawful abduction and confinement of a person against their will, and is a crime in many jurisdictions
Add it to the list of crimes.
And piracy, considering they’re stealing the aid that the flotilla brought.
We’d have to consult some Maritime lawyers to make sense of it proper, but I think most of the world can agree with those sentiments.
No need to consult them. It is fully illegal. Israel has no jurisdiction there. Also the ICJ ordered Israel to dismantle their blockade in 2024
Sound right, because it’s part of the playbook we’ve seen. Subversion of law without even a slap on the wrist.
Release the hostages, Israel!
You mean the thousands of Palestinian hostages including women and children too, right?
Yes, all of them
Every single Palestinian living in Gaza is basically a hostage at this point
high seas piracy, and NATO cannot keep the Mediterranean safe.
Not against someone backed by the US
Not arrested. Kidnapped and taken hostage.
Kidnapped and taken hostage by Israel again.
Her drowning (or dying) at sea is on my end of the world bingo.
She will have suicided with five shots in the back.
They’ll show her videos of 50,000 Israeli babies being murdered by Muslim grandmas and Greta will suddenly decide to suicide herself
I’m afraid the world will still continue even if that happens 😢
Fuck Israel. Fuck the whole evil country. Religion is fucking stupid anyway, so a theocratic country is extra stupid.
A lot of the middle east in a nutshell.
Israel is a democracy.
The democratic usa commited war crimes in afghsnistan,iraq and vietnam
Really? I wonder who Gazans and people from the west bank voted for in the last Israeli elections. Right, they’re under the control of Israeli occupation but can’t vote in the democracy, all millions of them. But you know, it’s also the only country in the world that explicitly states that it’s the country of all Jews in the world and not its citizens’. Remarkably democratic in fact, so democratic that it redefines democracy as ethno-supremacy.
Gee, I wonder who they voted for in the last Palestinian elections… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine
Israel is a “democracy” as much as America is a “democracy”. I may have exaggerated a bit
A Democracy filled with religious extremists.
We seem to be heading in a terrifyingly similar direction
Religion is fucking stupid anyway, so a theocratic country is extra stupid.
Yep, which is why granting Palestine statehood would be also extra stupid.
I’m not a big fan of theocratic countries myself, but if my choices for the state of the world tomorrow morning are two theocratic countries or one theocratic country next to a field of charred bones, I think I could pick the former pretty easily.
Succinctly said for a complex topic. Seconded
Oh, ew. The preservation of Palestine is about the preservation of people and culture that have every right to exist. Not religion first (which isn’t wrong even if you are against it). This is a ghastly take.
Really? Now?
Palestinians deserve their own state, religious or not, that is not for you to judge
Then we should unrecognize the usa too
So we should remove Israel? Got it
A two state solution is what was agreed with the UN. Although it is sort of stupid to assume that the hate from either side will die down anytime soon, there are workable solutions like not having a Palestine state be propped up by Hamas. A terrorist group that was propped up by Netanyahi and who alongside Israel eliminated people’s ability to vote for new leadership, it’s clear that Israel wanted to stoke hate and a boogeyman they could also easily defeat.
Most countries agrees to have a palestinian state should be ruled by the PA and israel and the usa refuse any state. So stop using hamas as an excuse
What are you confrontationally blabbing about? If you agree that most countries agrees to have a Palestinian state should be ruled by the PA and Israel and the USA refuse any state, then we have no disagreement.
How about you simply admit that what ticked you and other people downvoting my comment is the fact that I call out Hamas along with Israel? I realize there’s a lot of opposition being promoted by pro-Hamas groups, but they really don’t need to make it that obvious. Anyway, I’ll let you get back at your next attempt to gaslight me.
Although I am surprised that you conceded to a two state solution. Now that there is consensus that Israel is performing genocide, there has been a change in the narrative towards a more of a “destroy Israel, our state is the rightful state” subtly, beginning by claiming that the two state solution is a Zionist lie along with the claim that a lot of people in Israel are discontented with Netanyahu, all to portray them as one great villain (sort of what Netanyahu and his far right buddiers are doing to Palestinians, too). Are you sure you’ve got the latest memo?
You are claiming that Hamas is the reason why there is no state, it is factually wrong. If you condemn hamas killing or attacking civilians , i eould havr no problem with that.
Poor you crying about being downvoted
It is part of the reason there isn’t. Most of it is due to Israel, but that’s also why they propped up Hamas over the PA. Sorry not-sorry to have offended your pro-Hamas sensibilities.
It is part of the reason there isn’t. Most of it is due to Israel, but that’s also why they propped up Hamas over the PA
Everything is due to Israel because even if Hamas is destroyed they will refuse to end occupation. Netanyahu said it there will be no Palestinian state because the land is our.
If you was alive during Nat Turner revolt you would have talked about how Nat Turner was part of the reason why slavery existed for long time instead of saying the salve owner was the only one responsible for it. If you where alive during a bloody revolt from indigenous people against the settlers you would have talked about how indigenous people was part of the problem. You have no moral and should be ashamed of your BS
Sorry not-sorry to have offended your pro-Hamas sensibilities.
I am offended by hypocrites like you who give excuse to the occupier to continue the occupation.
The PA is the one who allows Palestinians to be attacked by the settler terrorists and continue to respect the oslo accords that israel is not respecting everyday
