Whatever, just do it. Cut our losses and end that shitshow.
Even if America surrenders and walks away from the Iran conflict with its tail between its legs, Donny and his cult will still claim total victory, and there is a possibility that his approval may actually get a bump from this. Just in time to steal/cancel the midterms and start anew war with Cuba, oh and don’t think he’s forgotten about Greenland…
The article also speculates that Trump’s surrender in Iran could be very bad for Israel, thanks to Iran’s control of the Straight of Hormuz:
In a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday, Trump reportedly explained that the United States was negotiating a “letter of intent” with Iran that would “formally end the war and launch a 30-day period of negotiations” on Iran’s nuclear program and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. The purpose and effect of such an agreement should be clear: The United States is walking away from the crisis.
According to one U.S. official, Netanyahu’s “hair was on fire” after the call with Trump—for good reason. The Iran war may end up as the single most devastating blow to Israel’s security in its brief history. On the present trajectory, Iran will emerge from the conflict many times stronger and more influential than it was before the war. It will exercise leverage with dozens of the richest nations in the world, all of which will have an acute interest in keeping Iran happy. They will be unlikely to take Israel’s side in any conflict that it has with Tehran or with its proxies in Lebanon and Gaza, because Iran will have the means to punish them if they do. Israel will emerge more isolated than it has been at any time in its history—and not least from its only reliable protector, the United States. When Trump turns his back on Israel, as he must do to implement this policy, MAGA will gladly follow. The bipartisan anti-Israel consensus in the United States will grow and harden.
will grow and harden
Good. Anything that hurts Israel, gives Palestinian citizens another day to breathe and live.
From what I remember about dominionism, they need isreal to exist again so that it can be destroyed. I wonder if this is the rug pull
What a circus.
One thing I don’t understand: shouldn’t it have been extremely easy to foresee that Iran controling the Strait of Hormuz gives them an unbeatable advantage because oil?
I also wonder what impact this will have on human and esp. women’s rights violations in Iran, long term. Something tells me this is just what they needed to crack down on Western depravity even more.
He’ll surrender, and will cause a lot of talking for approximately a couple of days. More than enough to keep you all from talking about the Trump-Epstein files until he finds something else to do so you keep your attention from the fact that HE RAPED KIDS.
You need to kill that cunt, and make it fast. November is not gonna be your saving grace, November is gonna be the confirmation of what we already know: He and his goons can do whatever the hell they want and there’s nobody to stop him.
To be fair, betting on the apathy and cowardice of the US voter base is a pretty safe bet, and a bet that’s served him well so far.
Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
The problem in the US isn’t apathy. ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There’s apathy and complicity in the senior leadership of the opposition. But they’re a fraction of a fraction of the agents involved in the conflict.
So many people (or bots, but especially on reddit) get their panties in a bunch when you say the DNC is not your friend. They are complicit. There are a handful of politicians that caucus with Dems that I really believe are fighting for the little guy, but the party as a whole loves the power/wealth the ruling class is gaining through the fascist takeover.
The Dems (neolibs) want the 1990s. They don’t want an oligarchy, and they’re (mostly) not complicit, with a few exceptions.
The Dems, as a whole, have never taken the kind of power that Trump has. Partly because it’s damaging to the country, and partly because it’s blatantly illegal.
The Dems also haven’t had 8 years of cutting internal opposition in primaries. In fact, after the whole Bernie/Hillary thing the Dems went in the opposite direction of that. That’s what you all wanted.
You wanted the party to have less control. The party now has less control, and you’re all :shocked Pikachu: that they’re not able to whip every single member in line.
(Progressives want to fix problems, not just return us to the 1990s. We can do better.)
The problem in the US isn’t apathy. ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Yes, those are acting… the apathetic ones are the US Voters as OP pointed out
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There have been 2 large marches… on weekends. For the first one, the rapist king literally send a video shitting on the protesters, that should have made it clear a weekend protest would mean nothing.
Yes, some Minnesotans did rally harder, not on weekends, and weakened ICE stance… maybe the rest of the country should learn from them and not wait until it’s literally life or death as Minnesotans did
Even if the people of the USA who claim to hate this regime bothered to do a free act en mass, like closing your Meta and Xitter accounts, it would be noticeable… alas, nothing of significance can be done and all we (the rest of the world) get from Americans is some victim complex cry
the apathetic ones are the US Voters
We’ve repeatedly hit record high turnout during Presidential cycles, even in the face of widespread disenfranchisement.
There have been 2 large marches… on weekends.
Far more than two. They’re heavily underreported, but I see (and periodically participate in) marches and rallies at Houston City Hall twice a month, easy.
Even if the people of the USA who claim to hate this regime bothered to do a free act en mass, like closing your Meta and Xitter accounts
Slacktivism Will Save Us
Dude, please touch some grass
We’ve repeatedly hit record high turnout during Presidential cycles, even in the face of widespread disenfranchisement.
If you are referring to voter turn out, still the largest group belongs to those who could but did not vote
Far more than two. They’re heavily underreported, but I see (and periodically participate in) marches and rallies at Houston City Hall twice a month, easy.
Happy to fill my brain with this good news if you can provide any source
Slacktivism Will Save Us
Definitely would be more efficient than just slacking…
Dude, please touch some grass
As soon as your rapist dictator stops killing people around the world, I will take a day off… I know this is likely not something that causes you ANY concern but in this last year, literally tens of thousands of people have been slaughtered by your country’s actions with not even a flimsy justification for it
Happy to fill my brain with this good news if you can provide any source
Makes a declaration with no substance, is refuted, asks for a source.
What’s your .ml/hexbear account?
What’s your .ml/hexbear account?
This isn’t a Tankie. They’re a TurboLib.
How can you tell?
Buddy, you claimed, with no source, that there are protests twice a month. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but would like some evidence of your claim
No, no — see you made the declaration that no protests are happening. Do you understand what the burden of proof means? You made the declaration, they refuted it using 0 sources because you didn’t provide any sources for your claims.
Because you don’t have any.
Edit: oh, I looked into the protests they mentioned — they’re absolutely happening, so not only do they not need to provide sources because you are arguing in bad faith, they don’t need to because what they’re saying is true.
Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
I don’t think it is, fascism always rears its ugly head when the general public becomes apathetic about their government’s leadership. It’s dependent on people being fed up over political stagnation, offering people easy and decisive solutions for complicated problems.
ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Ice is filled with losers who are apathetic about not being handed some fantasy version of a trad life they think they deserve for simply existing.
The military is honestly probably more apathetic about their current situation in Iran and current leadership than they’ve been prob since Vietnam.
Really the only people who aren’t apathetic are the billionaires, who will prob become a little apathetic once their AI bubble burst.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
Like what, less than one percent of the country? When people are speaking of the mood of the country, they typically aren’t specifying the outliers. Most Americans are just upset with trump about gas prices.
fascism always rears its ugly head when the general public becomes apathetic
Historically, it’s reared it’s head when people were the most energized
It depends on what part of the timeline you are evaluating. Apathy is the environment that allows fascism to take root, and fascist promising to dispel apathy is how they secure their power base.
Hitler’s rise in power happened after years of apathy following the German defeat in WW1. Yes, there were socialist and fascist outliers fighting in the streets of Berlin. However the vast majority of the population were center right and apathetic about the bureaucratic nature of the Reichstag.
Apathy is the environment that allows fascism to take root
That’s simply not true. Liberalism thrives under apathy. But when locals become active and begin to resist liberal rules, the fascists operate as a political counter to popular leftism.
Whether it’s Franco’s Spain or Pinochet’s Chile or Park’s Korea, fascism is a social tool to mobilize a population against itself at the height of unrest.
Hitler’s rise in power happened after years of apathy
Hitler came to power amidst decades of riots, strikes, and mass migrations.
Nothing about Germany in the 1920s was apathetic except the failing Hindenburg government. The people were in the streets - for good or ill - nearly constantly.
Yeah, man. It’s entirely on the apathy of voters and nothing to do with 107 years of locking up or killing any one to the left of Bernie Sanders, villianizing socialism/communism, defunding higher education, and attributing every success to capitalism and every failure on socialism.
Like, Christ on bikes man. The US was Europe’s sin eater, taking all of the expectation for running the global hegemony of capitalism while Europe was forced to spend money on rebuilding. Y’all got to retreat with the ill gotten gains of empire, had enough space to force concessions on quality of living, and didn’t have jackboots on your necks. Meanwhile, we became the fucking world police, with a double serving of fuck the little guys at home.
Yeah, voting for these fuckers had nothing to do with it
He also hopes to slip away without us noticing the tens of billions of dollars he is siphoning off.
Americans need to murder Trump. That’s right, I said it. He deserves to fucking die, and then wipe out the rest of his rancid bloodline.
Americans are getting fucked over by a rapist. America; fucking stand up already.
Even in my country (Canada), the news media keeps reporting on Trump as though he were a normal leader. He is not. He is a career criminal - a scammer who is robbing the US blind. Even worse: he doesn’t need to scam any more. At his disposal is the world’s largest military and nuclear arsenal. He is now attacking and robbing other countries. Next up: Cuba. He will keep on robbing and killing until somebody stops him because his greed is bigger than the Earth. Killing Trump would be a moral act.
Trump’s Endgame is always a test of just how stupid America can be … and that is the key to his success - the near bottomless pit of American idiocy
America is difficult to underestimate.
He will have to removed by force to get him out of the White House in 28.
Why he wants that "ballroom " so bad.
The ballroom is a data center. It’s a cash grab. He wants it because Larry Ellison and Elon Musk want it and promised him a cut.
There’s already a bunker for personnel under the whitehouse. Trump is NOT building a Fuer bunker. That already exists and has for a long time.
Not to mention giving his private J6 army 1.6 Billion in taxpayer money.
Bunkers only protect against foreign bombs. Local residents have construction equipment and concrete saws.
Or alternatively even more concrete. Could always just lock em in and then see what’s left in a couple years when someone remembers.
Assuming the ballroom gets completed before inauguration '29, I’m fine with Trump staying in it for the rest of his life, as long as all entrances and exits are sealed, and no food or water enters.
The only way he’s leaving is in a box.
We can work with that
No, we will never forget or forgive.
Maybe he just felt bad about draft dodging Vietnam, and so he wanted to faithfully recreate it.
Surrender to Iran. Distract with deposing Cuba.
Magnitude of his defeat? These articles are so goddamn delusional.
Fuck this downvoting bullshit because I dont go along with the hivemind. You fucking people are straight mainlining copium in the holy vein at this point. All these bullshit leftist feelgood articles make me sick. “Trump is so done!” “Trump will be defeated!” Oh get fucked! The ENTIRE time people share these articles to make themselves feel like something is being done, this orange cunt and his tit-sucking lackeys are irreparably fucking up this country and our relationships with every other country. You people should be fucking thankful that they are so incompetent. But not anymore! The real, intelligent evil people are learning that most Americans genuinely dont give a fuck what you do, so long as you give them someone to hate and feel above. These COMPETENT evil pricks will be running things. I 100% guarantee it, because most of us Americans fucking LOVE licking the boots on our necks apparently.
So yeah, enjoy your little article about the 7,000th defeat and downfall Trump is supposed to suffer. Fucking sickening.
bullshit leftist feelgood article
Are you saying they are lying and that the USA aren’t effectively losing the war in Iran? I think you’re wrong.
people share these articles to make themselves feel like something is being done
You can’t know why OP shared that article.
And I think you over- or underestimate people’s happy comments here. Being happy that Trump fucked up and won’t be glassing a Middle Eastern country is one thing - “Copium” is another. I honestly don’t think any of the roughly 30 comments here are unaware that things are still very much fucked up in the USA.
I’ll concede one point to you though: many concentrate too much on hating Trump the person, not the whole admin.
Assuming you live in the USA you still have my deepfelt empathy though. Can’t be easy.
the pentagon has reported this conflict costing about 29 billion dollars since it started about 3 months ago. this number will go up once it ends due to long term care for veterans, not to mention the inflation it has brought americans. this erased any raises they may have gotten this year.
and all we got in return was check notes a sense of pride and accomplishment!! what a delusion article for sure lmao
Im so goddamn tired, man. I wish I could be blissfully ignorant of it all.
wearing us down is how we let these scumbags win, and you’re feeling those effects.
stay informed, but also ground yourself with things in your immediate control if you’re feeling burnt out. you got this 💪
