Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
The problem in the US isn’t apathy. ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There’s apathy and complicity in the senior leadership of the opposition. But they’re a fraction of a fraction of the agents involved in the conflict.
So many people (or bots, but especially on reddit) get their panties in a bunch when you say the DNC is not your friend. They are complicit. There are a handful of politicians that caucus with Dems that I really believe are fighting for the little guy, but the party as a whole loves the power/wealth the ruling class is gaining through the fascist takeover.
Eh, I dunno. I don’t think the DNC is my “friend”, but I also recognize that the harm caused by democrats is a paltry fraction of that caused by republicans, and I do find it offensive when people equate them, its absolutely lying and I absolutely consider it harmful.
I may be against the existence of the state, but I can also recognize that one choice gets way more people hurt and killed that I don’t want to see hurt or killed.
Just because I recognize that the US is a poor excuse for a democracy doesn’t mean I won’t try and make use of the currently available mechanisms to prevent additional people from being hurt and/or killed. I’m not into the accelerationist bullshit.
I think part of the problem is that many of the people who complain about democrats absolutely will call them fully equal to republicans, which just makes them seem like an idiot that isnt worth listening to because of how separated from reality those comments are.
As bad as in certain situations? Sure. Overall? LOL no.
But just as some people will complain that I just wrote “whole ass paragraphs”, nuance doesn’t often play well on social media (including the fediverse) compared to “strong stances against!!!” whatever thing, which just furthers the divide rather than expanding the further left.
The Dems (neolibs) want the 1990s. They don’t want an oligarchy, and they’re (mostly) not complicit, with a few exceptions.
The Dems, as a whole, have never taken the kind of power that Trump has. Partly because it’s damaging to the country, and partly because it’s blatantly illegal.
The Dems also haven’t had 8 years of cutting internal opposition in primaries. In fact, after the whole Bernie/Hillary thing the Dems went in the opposite direction of that. That’s what you all wanted.
You wanted the party to have less control. The party now has less control, and you’re all :shocked Pikachu: that they’re not able to whip every single member in line.
(Progressives want to fix problems, not just return us to the 1990s. We can do better.)
The problem in the US isn’t apathy. ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Yes, those are acting… the apathetic ones are the US Voters as OP pointed out
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There have been 2 large marches… on weekends. For the first one, the rapist king literally send a video shitting on the protesters, that should have made it clear a weekend protest would mean nothing.
Yes, some Minnesotans did rally harder, not on weekends, and weakened ICE stance… maybe the rest of the country should learn from them and not wait until it’s literally life or death as Minnesotans did
Even if the people of the USA who claim to hate this regime bothered to do a free act en mass, like closing your Meta and Xitter accounts, it would be noticeable… alas, nothing of significance can be done and all we (the rest of the world) get from Americans is some victim complex cry
We’ve repeatedly hit record high turnout during Presidential cycles, even in the face of widespread disenfranchisement.
There have been 2 large marches… on weekends.
Far more than two. They’re heavily underreported, but I see (and periodically participate in) marches and rallies at Houston City Hall twice a month, easy.
Even if the people of the USA who claim to hate this regime bothered to do a free act en mass, like closing your Meta and Xitter accounts
We’ve repeatedly hit record high turnout during Presidential cycles, even in the face of widespread disenfranchisement.
If you are referring to voter turn out, still the largest group belongs to those who could but did not vote
Far more than two. They’re heavily underreported, but I see (and periodically participate in) marches and rallies at Houston City Hall twice a month, easy.
Happy to fill my brain with this good news if you can provide any source
Slacktivism Will Save Us
Definitely would be more efficient than just slacking…
Dude, please touch some grass
As soon as your rapist dictator stops killing people around the world, I will take a day off… I know this is likely not something that causes you ANY concern but in this last year, literally tens of thousands of people have been slaughtered by your country’s actions with not even a flimsy justification for it
Buddy, you claimed, with no source, that there are protests twice a month. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but would like some evidence of your claim
No, no — see you made the declaration that no protests are happening. Do you understand what the burden of proof means? You made the declaration, they refuted it using 0 sources because you didn’t provide any sources for your claims.
Because you don’t have any.
Edit: oh, I looked into the protests they mentioned — they’re absolutely happening, so not only do they not need to provide sources because you are arguing in bad faith, they don’t need to because what they’re saying is true.
Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
I don’t think it is, fascism always rears its ugly head when the general public becomes apathetic about their government’s leadership. It’s dependent on people being fed up over political stagnation, offering people easy and decisive solutions for complicated problems.
ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Ice is filled with losers who are apathetic about not being handed some fantasy version of a trad life they think they deserve for simply existing.
The military is honestly probably more apathetic about their current situation in Iran and current leadership than they’ve been prob since Vietnam.
Really the only people who aren’t apathetic are the billionaires, who will prob become a little apathetic once their AI bubble burst.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
Like what, less than one percent of the country? When people are speaking of the mood of the country, they typically aren’t specifying the outliers. Most Americans are just upset with trump about gas prices.
It depends on what part of the timeline you are evaluating. Apathy is the environment that allows fascism to take root, and fascist promising to dispel apathy is how they secure their power base.
Hitler’s rise in power happened after years of apathy following the German defeat in WW1. Yes, there were socialist and fascist outliers fighting in the streets of Berlin. However the vast majority of the population were center right and apathetic about the bureaucratic nature of the Reichstag.
Apathy is the environment that allows fascism to take root
That’s simply not true. Liberalism thrives under apathy. But when locals become active and begin to resist liberal rules, the fascists operate as a political counter to popular leftism.
Whether it’s Franco’s Spain or Pinochet’s Chile or Park’s Korea, fascism is a social tool to mobilize a population against itself at the height of unrest.
Hitler’s rise in power happened after years of apathy
Hitler came to power amidst decades of riots, strikes, and mass migrations.
Nothing about Germany in the 1920s was apathetic except the failing Hindenburg government. The people were in the streets - for good or ill - nearly constantly.
Apathy is a poor turn of phrase for a fascist takeover.
The problem in the US isn’t apathy. ICE doesn’t seem apathetic. The military doesn’t seem apathetic. Silicon Valley doesn’t seem apathetic. Wall Street doesn’t seem apathetic. The billionaire class is engaged and has financed an enormous army of brownshirts to flatten dissent.
Meanwhile, people are fighting and dying on the streets. Parades of people march in opposition. Blossoming networks of activists inform on and undermine the state. Lone wolves even take pot shots at the President.
There’s apathy and complicity in the senior leadership of the opposition. But they’re a fraction of a fraction of the agents involved in the conflict.
So many people (or bots, but especially on reddit) get their panties in a bunch when you say the DNC is not your friend. They are complicit. There are a handful of politicians that caucus with Dems that I really believe are fighting for the little guy, but the party as a whole loves the power/wealth the ruling class is gaining through the fascist takeover.
Eh, I dunno. I don’t think the DNC is my “friend”, but I also recognize that the harm caused by democrats is a paltry fraction of that caused by republicans, and I do find it offensive when people equate them, its absolutely lying and I absolutely consider it harmful.
I may be against the existence of the state, but I can also recognize that one choice gets way more people hurt and killed that I don’t want to see hurt or killed.
Just because I recognize that the US is a poor excuse for a democracy doesn’t mean I won’t try and make use of the currently available mechanisms to prevent additional people from being hurt and/or killed. I’m not into the accelerationist bullshit.
I think part of the problem is that many of the people who complain about democrats absolutely will call them fully equal to republicans, which just makes them seem like an idiot that isnt worth listening to because of how separated from reality those comments are.
As bad as in certain situations? Sure. Overall? LOL no.
But just as some people will complain that I just wrote “whole ass paragraphs”, nuance doesn’t often play well on social media (including the fediverse) compared to “strong stances against!!!” whatever thing, which just furthers the divide rather than expanding the further left.
Just my opinion of course.
The Dems (neolibs) want the 1990s. They don’t want an oligarchy, and they’re (mostly) not complicit, with a few exceptions.
The Dems, as a whole, have never taken the kind of power that Trump has. Partly because it’s damaging to the country, and partly because it’s blatantly illegal.
The Dems also haven’t had 8 years of cutting internal opposition in primaries. In fact, after the whole Bernie/Hillary thing the Dems went in the opposite direction of that. That’s what you all wanted.
You wanted the party to have less control. The party now has less control, and you’re all :shocked Pikachu: that they’re not able to whip every single member in line.
(Progressives want to fix problems, not just return us to the 1990s. We can do better.)
Yes, those are acting… the apathetic ones are the US Voters as OP pointed out
There have been 2 large marches… on weekends. For the first one, the rapist king literally send a video shitting on the protesters, that should have made it clear a weekend protest would mean nothing.
Yes, some Minnesotans did rally harder, not on weekends, and weakened ICE stance… maybe the rest of the country should learn from them and not wait until it’s literally life or death as Minnesotans did
Even if the people of the USA who claim to hate this regime bothered to do a free act en mass, like closing your Meta and Xitter accounts, it would be noticeable… alas, nothing of significance can be done and all we (the rest of the world) get from Americans is some victim complex cry
We’ve repeatedly hit record high turnout during Presidential cycles, even in the face of widespread disenfranchisement.
Far more than two. They’re heavily underreported, but I see (and periodically participate in) marches and rallies at Houston City Hall twice a month, easy.
Slacktivism Will Save Us
Dude, please touch some grass
If you are referring to voter turn out, still the largest group belongs to those who could but did not vote
Happy to fill my brain with this good news if you can provide any source
Definitely would be more efficient than just slacking…
As soon as your rapist dictator stops killing people around the world, I will take a day off… I know this is likely not something that causes you ANY concern but in this last year, literally tens of thousands of people have been slaughtered by your country’s actions with not even a flimsy justification for it
Makes a declaration with no substance, is refuted, asks for a source.
What’s your .ml/hexbear account?
This isn’t a Tankie. They’re a TurboLib.
How can you tell?
Tankies aren’t into electoralism
Honestly, I’m sort of just angry at .mlers so I didn’t even really think here — I just accused.
I should probably reign in my stigma towards them, it isn’t productive. Thanks.
Buddy, you claimed, with no source, that there are protests twice a month. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt but would like some evidence of your claim
No, no — see you made the declaration that no protests are happening. Do you understand what the burden of proof means? You made the declaration, they refuted it using 0 sources because you didn’t provide any sources for your claims.
Because you don’t have any.
Edit: oh, I looked into the protests they mentioned — they’re absolutely happening, so not only do they not need to provide sources because you are arguing in bad faith, they don’t need to because what they’re saying is true.
… and again no evidence of these biweekly protests that are totally happening
I don’t think it is, fascism always rears its ugly head when the general public becomes apathetic about their government’s leadership. It’s dependent on people being fed up over political stagnation, offering people easy and decisive solutions for complicated problems.
Ice is filled with losers who are apathetic about not being handed some fantasy version of a trad life they think they deserve for simply existing.
The military is honestly probably more apathetic about their current situation in Iran and current leadership than they’ve been prob since Vietnam.
Really the only people who aren’t apathetic are the billionaires, who will prob become a little apathetic once their AI bubble burst.
Like what, less than one percent of the country? When people are speaking of the mood of the country, they typically aren’t specifying the outliers. Most Americans are just upset with trump about gas prices.
Historically, it’s reared it’s head when people were the most energized
It depends on what part of the timeline you are evaluating. Apathy is the environment that allows fascism to take root, and fascist promising to dispel apathy is how they secure their power base.
Hitler’s rise in power happened after years of apathy following the German defeat in WW1. Yes, there were socialist and fascist outliers fighting in the streets of Berlin. However the vast majority of the population were center right and apathetic about the bureaucratic nature of the Reichstag.
That’s simply not true. Liberalism thrives under apathy. But when locals become active and begin to resist liberal rules, the fascists operate as a political counter to popular leftism.
Whether it’s Franco’s Spain or Pinochet’s Chile or Park’s Korea, fascism is a social tool to mobilize a population against itself at the height of unrest.
Hitler came to power amidst decades of riots, strikes, and mass migrations.
Nothing about Germany in the 1920s was apathetic except the failing Hindenburg government. The people were in the streets - for good or ill - nearly constantly.