• angband@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    10 hours ago

    simple solution, tax rate goes up by margins based on the standard deviation from the last year’s income mean. for income more than one standard deviation above the mean, your tax rate for that margin is the percentile rank of your income compared to the last year’s incomes. something like that would be fair. then mandate certain percentages be spent on education, welfare, etc. anything left over in the budget from the last year gets split evenly among all taxpayers.

    • Baggie@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      10 hours ago

      That’s actually a really simple and neat solution. My only worry is there’s minor possibility that it could be abused, but not nearly as much as current systems are.

      • angband@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        10 hours ago

        yeah, loans and hising income.overseas, stuff like that. guarantee 5% for the irs budget and regulate them to track down income tax schemes.

        there would be some struggle, but things would level out after a couple of decades, and head towards real prosperity.

        of course the idea is rough, you’d want narrow margins, and the ability shift it if there aren’t enough high earners, and to apply the same scheme to corps too. all sorts of edges cases and fail points to consider.

    • Smeagol666@crazypeople.online
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      7 hours ago

      I like the sentiment, but I hate white type on a light grey background. I’m half blind from a lifetime of jerking off, take it easy on an old incel.

  • Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    118
    ·
    19 hours ago

    Maybe a single person shouldn’t have enough wealth to rival a country? It’s almost like that gives them more power than the government that is supposed to keep them in check.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      7 hours ago

      I work for a small city that’s an enclave for the super-rich. Literally every household is multi-millionaires (I don’t live there, of course).

      When we butt heads with a resident, it’s a challenge because most of our residents have a larger budget and pool of resources than the city. My favorite example was when a resident tried to build a retaining wall in a drainage easement for a new home that would result in a street behind them flooding any time it rained. When we told them no, they tried to buy the Engineering firm we hired to review their development.

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        26
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        16 hours ago

        I also can’t think of a more insane pick than to let that individual be Elon Musk. Really shows how billionaires fail their way to the top.

        At the end of the day I think billionaires owning space companies undermines the pursuit of humans going into space and studying space in general as it is difficult enough to justify to the average person normally that space exploration is important but when you have the people leading the pursuit of it hoarding enough wealth to lift an astounding amount of people out of poverty, then the association of those people with space exploration threatens to make space exploration a target of populist austerity sentiment unfairly because by its very nature it is a loud thing that draws lots of attention.

        • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          28
          ·
          16 hours ago

          There aren’t any good billionaires. They get rich leeching off everyone else’s work, suppressing wages and compensation, and avoiding taxes on their insane wealth. On top of that, a seemingly normal person is likely to become a complete PoS when they no longer have to face any consequences for being a PoS because of their wealth.

          • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            25
            ·
            edit-2
            16 hours ago

            The way I see it, billionaires are best understood as an autonomous cancerous process of money hoarding money, the human being who is the billionaire at the center of it hardly has any agency, just raw and pure complicity in the growth of the cancer enveloping them in a replacement of their human identity with an approximation of one constructed from financial abstractions.

            Billionaires think they are making more and more important choices as they get richer but what really is occurring is they are becoming less and less a relevant part of the money they hoard in terms of what actions that entity of money takes and why it does so.

            To be a proud billionaire is to be a proud insect host for the paratisoid wasp that is wealth hoarding. It is a strange and disturbing ideology from the perspective of an insect to take pride in being the vessel for a process that will most certainly annihilate you from within.

          • ngdev@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            10 hours ago

            not saying shes a good one and i am not a fan, but i dont think taylor swift did that did she?

  • DaddleDew@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    164
    ·
    edit-2
    17 hours ago

    You can’t even spend a billion dollars with the most ridiculous luxury items you can think of. Spending that much in a lifetime for things you would even remotely appreciate would feel like work.

    The only difference having billions of dollars makes instead of only a few millions in a rich person’s life is that it enables them to singlehandedly influence politics to their personal liking by buying politicians and media institutions. Which is something nobody should be allowed to do to begin with.

    Meanwhile had that billion dollars been distributed to the worker class through fair wages or even to the consumers through fair prices it would have contributed to the economy and the well-being of everyone. Having to tax it to avoid seeing that money sit in some asshole’s offshore bank account is a failure of the system to properly distribute wealth when it is generated to begin with and even that isn’t being done right now.

      • floofloof@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        57
        ·
        19 hours ago

        And the prediction is that we’ll have a few trillionaires soon. The difference between 1 billion and 1 trillion is about 1 trillion.

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          13 hours ago

          Personally I’m hoping we see a couple multi trillionares. Rapidly followed by their assets depreciating into worthlessness and the USD becoming worth less than monopoly money.

    • errer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      18 hours ago

      A billion dollars buys you power. That kind of money gets you a seat at the table.

    • ryannathans@aussie.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      55
      ·
      20 hours ago

      How many “billionaires” actually have a billion dollars to spend though? They usually are “worth” a billion dollars through stocks they can’t sell, with a couple of million in the bank

      • DaddleDew@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        93
        ·
        edit-2
        20 hours ago

        Except that they do just that by borrowing money against their stocks, which also incidentally allows them to avoid paying taxes. That’s how Musk bought Twitter.

        • kautau@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          48
          ·
          20 hours ago

          Yup, their latent wealth grows faster than what they borrow to use as actual spending, they literally don’t spend money, they accumulate it

      • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        26
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        19 hours ago

        This is like saying “they don’t actually have that much oxygen. They’ve got it compressed in massive liquefied tanks. You can’t breathe liquid oxygen, so it doesn’t really count as breathable air. So nevermind that a billionth of the population controls 50% of the oxygen on the planet because the actual gaseous air they breath on the day to day is just an extremely comfortable level of oxygen.”

      • realitista@lemmus.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        20 hours ago

        They will find a way to fuck him, I’m certain of it. That’s why we don’t have more- they get rid of them via smear campaigns, primarying someone else, etc. It’s a miracle anyone like him or Sanders ever gets elected with all the headwinds they have against them.

  • Fandangalo@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    44
    ·
    20 hours ago

    Billionaire math

    Average USA billionaire has about $7b in wealth.

    2026 * 365 ‎ = 739,490

    $7,000,000,000 / 739,490‎ = $9,465.98

    You would need to make $9k per day, for 2026 years, to catch up to the average billionaire wealth right now.

    It’s estimated in 2026 that it would cost $37b to end world hunger until 2030.

    Also note that Musk, Bezos, and other extreme billionaires are up to 100x of the average here ($700b for Musk). Who is making $900k per day?

    This is not natural, it’s not rational, and it’s completely bullshit. You can come up with whatever distraction you want (“wealth & income aren’t the same”), but we should be taxing every dollar above $1b at 99% or higher.

    30 years * 365 day = 10,950

    $1,000,000,000 / 10,950 ‎ = $91,324.20

    I could easily live off of $91k per DAY for 30 YEARS.

    If you put these numbers against a human time scale we can understand, I don’t see the argument for this level of wealth, especially not as people go hungry, without clothes or food, and children die.

    • teddyt@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      20 hours ago

      A bit of context, because $9k per day sounds “not too bad” to some. It means you have a yearly income 3.4 million a year, for 37 generations of working people.

  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    47
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    20 hours ago

    A person cannot earn a billion dollars on his labor, it’s impossible. The only way one becomes a billionaire is by stealing from the ones who did the hard work and enriching yourself off their labor. Billionaires are leeches, every single one is a disease on humanity. There are no good billionaires, they should all be shot and have their assets redistributed.

  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    edit-2
    20 hours ago

    the only way to make sure we don’t have trillionaires is to make sure that we don’t have billionaires.

  • grue@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    21 hours ago

    “In his own words,” the article title says, as if we should be shocked or upset by it.

  • realitista@lemmus.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    20 hours ago

    How is this even a controversial opinion? They’ll find a way to fuck him over for sure.

    • FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      17 hours ago

      A better question is why does this opinion still matter? He already won the election, it isn’t news unless his stance changes to something new which it hasn’t.

  • AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    20 hours ago

    He’s absolutely right. Hoarding wealth is a mental illness, we just turn a blind eye to people who have it because what they’re addicted to is what society runs on.