For roughly 100 days, Thomas says he faced harsh detention conditions, despite agreeing to deportation

Thomas, a 35-year-old tech worker and father of three from Ireland, came to West Virginia to visit his girlfriend last fall. It was one of many trips he had taken to the US, and he was authorized to travel under a visa waiver program that allows tourists to stay in the country for 90 days.

He had planned to return to Ireland in December, but was briefly unable to fly due to a health issue, his medical records show. He was only three days overdue to leave the US when an encounter with police landed him in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) custody.

From there, what should have been a minor incident became a nightmarish ordeal: he was detained by Ice in three different facilities, ultimately spending roughly 100 days behind bars with little understanding of why he was being held – or when he’d get out.

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      Detaining people isn’t free either, we also paid to keep them here longer. The whole thing is immensely stupid.

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        Only if you believe their words, which you absolutely should not. A for profit prison management company got paid for 100 days detention when they would have gotten 0 if they let this guy leave.

        Everything working out as planned.

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    At least this (probably) white guy, who speaks the same language, got to suffer on taxpayers’ dollars. What a relief. /s

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    Just stupid all around…

    “You overstayed your welcome, buddy. Now instead of letting you go home, we’re going to keep you trapped here even longer.”

    Do you want them to stay or to go? Make up your friggin’ mind! 😬

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      I’m waiting for the “we’re going to hold you in the country for staying in the country to long and hold you and extra day for every day you continue to be in the country”. At this point I wouldn’t put it past them. The cruelty is the point.

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        But at this point why even bother meeting the quotas? Can’t they just lie and tell everyone they deported 3 billion immigrants so that the racist rednecks will all cheer and smile?

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          It’s likely that both things are happening. I’m sure there are some that stretch the numbers but there are also others who revel in the cruelty.

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          I think people aren’t realizing, they’re racist af. They are actually doing nazi things all the fucking time now. They have actual concentration camps. The point is to get rid of anyone not white. Their lead nazi dude (white nationalist) is a Jewish person. It’s just as insane as the nazis too.

          Edit: Also, to fill their prisons to hand out prison contracts and get slave labor. This is also a money grab.

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      Kolanaki, i guess you’re not really getting the point here. The point is intentional cruelty to demotivate these people to ever come to the US again.

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    You gotta be pretty in love to travel to a backwater nation like the US. Traveling to WV though, that’s beyond insanity.

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    Daily reminder (especially to my Canadian homies) for the love of fuck do NOT travel to the US. They have made it clear they dont want visitors and it isnt safe for us to go there.

    Do not risk it. Find any other safe country to visit and go there instead. Or stay home and see your own country.

    Or if you want to visit North America, may I suggest Canada? Its nice here and we have cool things to see too. Also you wont be detained for no reason and live for months in a cage.

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      And may I suggest Mexico? It’s a beautiful country full of wonderful food, music, and people. North America is a shit sandwich, but the bread on both ends is quite magnificent.

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        Yeah, never mind that the murder rate per 100k in Mexico is quadruple what it is in the “backwater” US (25.2 vs 6.3). It’s flawless and beautiful, and the US is just horrible and worse in every way than there and everywhere else, “shit”, as you said.

        Wonder why so many people are trying to immigrate there, then, hm. Also, Mexico’s got more people trying to get out than get in, how strange.

        Ah, what do all those people know, anyway? They’re just making the decision to completely uproot their lives and go to another country for fun, not because they’re desperate for a better life!

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          How many tourists to Mexico are having problems with cartels vs how many tourists to America are having problems with ICE?

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          Respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I live on the border, am in Mexico several times per week, and have traveled the country pretty extensively. Most areas of Mexico are as safe as any city in the rest of the western world as long as you’re not intentionally fucking around and finding out.

          And I’ll say this—you’re way less likely to get a mass shooting at a Walmart in Mexico than you are to get one in America.

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            Seconding this, I’ve had the great fortune to spend almost 18 months of my life in Mexico, visiting over 20 states. I’ve yet to feel unsafe in all that time. It’s an incredibly beautiful country with an extremely welcoming culture, stunning architecture and natural beauty, and unmatched cuisine. Mexico is a bucket list destination for sure.

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            Hell pretty sure we have more masked armed men shoving people into vans in the us now as well

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      I know several people with dual citizenship Canadian/U.S. who have moved from the U.S. to Canada in the past several months.

      I just figured out a path for me to gain Mexican permanent resident and eventually Mexican citizenship if needed. It will take some time but with how this country is going, My wife and I need an escape route.

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        That’s an unusual situation. Normally, Mexicans are trying to get a US citizenship, not the other way around. In any case, I wonder how long does it take for US citizens to apply for political asylum elsewhere.

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          Mexican immigration rules from what I am seeing are very reasonable with clear processes and do not require a lawyer for most people. So you rarely hear about immigrants having issues. The entire process is relatively inexpensive as well.

          To legally immigrate to the U.S. almost always requires a lawyer, the process is deliberately convoluted, and costs thousands of dollars in fees.

          Applying for political asylum outside of the U.S., good luck. The burden of proof is quite high and costly. Most people will not qualify, yet…

          https://www.relocate.world/articles/us-citizens-seeking-asylum

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        If you have an escape route available, I suggest getting it prepared now. Hopefully you won’t need it, but it’s better to be prepared than not.

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          If only the dumbfucks with the stupid slogans like “love it or leave it” knew just how difficult and costly it is to legally move to another country. Unless you have money, work in a high demand job or have family connections it’s fucking difficult or close to impossible to do.

          Most of the dumbfucks have no way to legally move to any other country legally.

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        Fam has researched the same things, but have worried that Mexcico might not be far enough.

        Also some worry that the locals might take it out on expats if it becomes a war.

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    And he was locked up before Trump took office.

    Nobody is safe from the system if they get pulled into it

    This applies to all aspects of the US “justice” system. Once it has a hold of you, it’s extremely hard to get out.

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      While visiting his girlfriend Malone’s family in Savannah, Georgia, Thomas experienced a mental health episode. After a conflict in their hotel room, someone called the police. Though Malone didn’t support the charge, Thomas was arrested for allegedly “falsely imprisoning” her.

      Yes, it was before, but, there is a little more to it. It was a mental health episode and the police were called. One would think they would just have an air marshall fly back home with him, But the US is really not good at mental health problems.

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          Should have been a psychiatric eval and a trip home. If it would have happened the month or two earlier probably would have went down like that. He had the bad luck to have a break and still be locked up when everything was getting DOGEd

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      I mean, how else do you expect the present industrial complex to make all the money that it does?

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      Nobody can hold a candle to ‘deporter-in-chief’ Obama. Secretly, the Democrats have been much harder and more effective on deportations and the border for decades.

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          Going back through their history, looks like they’re REALLY into the democrats deport more people line, completely failing to realize the numbers for Biden and Obama are on a scale of years where the current administration is at about 100 days. Ignoring that due process was happening and It is not now, also ignoring the current tactic of ziptieing unprocessed people together and dropping them out of planes in to the pacific which is just straight murder.

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            Excuse me, can you elaborate on that last part? Dropping people outbound planes doesn’t pass the sniff test for me.

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            Look, it wouldn’t surprise me at this point, it’s more or less just the next step, but where did you hear they were dropping people out of planes?

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            I don’t know why you act like I am defending Trump, I am only trying to point out that Democrats were still mass deporting people. Trump is historically evil and will probably blow the Obama/Biden numbers out once ICE gets the new budget. But, this has been standard US policy since 9/11 basically.

            For example - https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/trump-2-immigration-first-100-days or https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

            While the government has not released official data in comprehensive fashion, based on Federal Register notices and selective information shared with news organizations it appears on track to deport roughly half a million people this year—fewer than the 685,000 deportations recorded in fiscal year (FY) 2024 under President Joe Biden.

            My point is that Trump could easily accomplish the same thing if mass deportations was his chief goal, because the Democrats were already doing that. Biden deported 685k in one year according to the Federal Register, if you want to discount the source and provide other numbers that is fine. I’m not trying to argue tactics, because frankly what the Dems and GOP have been doing (at least since 9/11) related to deportations and immigration has been illegal to unconstitutional in a variety of ways. Claiming asylum under international law is a defined legal process and even Obama and Biden were not following that process.

            Look even at the article this thread is in, this Irish tourist was jailed when Biden was President for overstaying his VISA for 3 days, even though he wanted to leave. That is pretty horrible behavior. Again, not saying Trump is better by any means, easily he is far worse.

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              We know. We know that Democrats also deported people. They went after actual criminals (and I guess people who had overstayed their visa), and the people had due process.

              They were not being hunted on job sites, outside of their immigration hearings (you know, “doing it the right way”), Home Depot parking lots, etc. They were not sending people to a concentration camp in a third country that the person has zero connection to.

              So when people constantly feel the need to “both sides” this issue, it comes off as ignorant (at best. More likely just being disingenuous). When it’s the same person again and again (according to another reply), then it starts to seem like a pattern…

              It shouldn’t need to be fucking said that what’s happening right now is not precedented in this country. The closest thing would be Japanese internment camps, but I believe this is far worse.

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                Failing to hold Democrats accountable for their own behavior by focusing only on Trump will only allow the Democrats to follow this downward spiral. The Democratic party doesn’t see the evil in their own past behavior and that’s a key part of why they cannot effectively counter Trump with any of this.

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          I didn’t say that. I was only pointing out how bad the Democrats have been, while not needing to go to the current ICE tactics. Holman was brought to us by Obama even. We’ve gone past the point where the deportations are the point; it’s the fear and repression of the entire population. And we’ve not even seen the half of it once ICE gets its new budget, it will get much worse!

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    Wonder how much it cost to keep him instead of just let him back to Ireland. Bunch of cunts

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        Oh sure, but they’ll continually claim until they’re blue in the face that everything they do is about money. So they should be continually exposed as the financially irresponsible idiots that they are.

        For the people where egregious human rights violations and terrorism aren’t deal breakers, wasting money is. Frankly I don’t respect their opinion, however, they also vote, therefore their opinion does matter.

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        I still think it’s about money, especially considering the size of the prison industrial complex. It just so happens that capitalism encourages cruelty when it’s profitable.

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      Sure it cost the taxpayers something, but that went directly into the pockets of the for-profit prison company. So you see, this is actually great for the economy!

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      They’re paid in how many teeth they can pull out with rusty pliers. Compensation isn’t always in hard cash, you know.

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    For your own personal safety, never travel to the United States.

    Never travel to countries where the secret police just kidnap people off the streets.

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      Canada doesn’t even have any new warnings. They have the regular “gun ownership” and stuff they’ve had for years, but not a single word about the new administration. US travel is still listed as “green”. Travel to the UK is “yellow” for fuck’s sake.

      Yes, according to the Canadian government, it is less safe to travel to the UK than it is to the US. And that’s after admitting that about 55 Canadian citizens are in US custody at any given time.

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadians-ice-detention-1.7577584

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        Our government is failing in their responsiblity on this. Makes my blood boil that they still are walking on eggshells with the us.

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          Agreed. They’re neglecting their duty to warn us of the dangers of traveling to the US.

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            I fear unless something is done that Carney will go down in history as a modern day Chamberlain.

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      I’d be interested to see what Republican policies have done to the US tourism industry. I know it’s taking a hit, but how much I’m not sure. I know I wouldn’t come here by choice.

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        Completely crushed the industry…95 billion dollars loss projected this year

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        I’m in a red state tourist town and our overall visitation is down over 30%. That said, international visitors only account for about 3% of tourism in this state, so there’s much more involved with that loss than just the international travel.

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          Inflation caused by corporate greed kills people’s ability to take vacations for some reason.

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          I know I’m not trying to visit any red states anytime soon. I have some inlaws in red states and they better stay alive and healthy for the next 3.5 years or I will be FaceTimeing into any familial obligations

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        Gonna be even worse now too with the National Park Service cuts: there are so many foreign tourists at the parks. As there should be too! Our National Parks are amazing!

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        People are only still going to the states because they had trips planned before the shit hit the fan. Once those trips are over, tourism to the states will be near zilch

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        I am a citizen and live in the states, once I finish my planned US vacations this year, I am exclusively going to vacation in other counties.

        I don’t want to support the country with any more money than I have to to live and survive

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    It is justification of budget. They are apprehended criminals as long as they are on the books.

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    And folks here in the US are making jokes about the FBI demanding polygraphs and loyalty tests, overlooking the fact that this is happening (along with the vulgar overfunding of ICE) in anticipation of a greater and more extended fascist crackdown. It’s the deliberate removal of any conscience from our governing system, and we all can look at history and understand why that’s happening and what it means for the future.

    Just don’t come here.

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    The Irish were second class citizens when segregation was a thing. This makes sense, I you don’t think too hard.