The excursiom that was aleeady won that was actually a forever war? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
As per NYT accounting, there is 5000 cannon fodder. The rest are Naval/air/support. Which other than naval staying far enough away, is also cannon fodder.
No better way of getting Trump supporters out of the US. A silver lining for Americans at least
“In the middle east” isn’t “on the middle east”… No troops on the gound, just in it.
Americans fight for zionists. Zionist first!
Jesus Christ. Can we just band together and do a coup to overthrow Trump and Vance at this point? This is going to be a needless bloodbath on both sides
The arrival of 2,500 Marines and another 2,500 sailors is keeping the number of American troops in the Mideast region at over 50,000 — roughly 10,000 more than usual
The U.S.-led coalition that invaded Iraq in 2003 was close to 250,000 at the beginning.
Worth noting: Iraq and Iran are very different societies & cultures.
Before colonialism, Iraq was decentralized/tribal for thousands of years before being arbitrarily collected into a single political unit.
Meanwhile Iran was its own empire, with a central head of power for those thousands of years.
90% chance Trump thinks he’s at war with Iraq. Most of those troops couldn’t even find Iran on a map last month.
Trump is just doing the Neocon wack-a-Muslim in the Middle East. Israel told him where to wack.
So maybe a hundredth of what’s needed to invade Iran?
More importantly, arriving 4 weeks into active conflict.
Instead of arriving before the bombs started dropping, when they could have been 100x more effective by their mere presence – especially if combined with a full-spectrum diplomatic and economic push with the Democracies of the world as allies.
Jesus Christ, Trump and his cabinet are fucking hubristic-stupid
holy shit the casualties are going to be terrible
But American will have the element of surprise! /s
If that figure is true.
…does anyone else hurt when these things happen?..
The families of our troops.
I meant this unironically. I physically hurt.
Inflammatory stress response. Take an advil and do something that makes a small contribution to making things better.
…like what?..I contact powerful people, I contact neighbors, the indifference to the next meal is infuriating…
You physically hurt who? The people causing it?
I would like to, any suggestions?
Well the best (legal) way is to drain their finances, so boycott all their businesses, sue in class action, etc. I wouldn’t recommend anything illegal though, that will just lead to more violence, lol nice try glowie
Setting the stage for nuking Iran, because a ‘conventional war’ can’t be won?
Can we please turn back time some thirty years?They are going to invade Iran, and play up every single death as a way to blame the Dems and every citizen for not supporting Trump. Now its a real war and “oopsie doopsie no can do elections”
And the progressives on here are going to blame democrats for not having more votes to stop this guy and say we need to vote 3rd part to keep his power unchecked.
The minority Republicans were able to interfere with a lot of what Biden tried to do, yet the minority Democrat’s are unable to interfere with Trump’s bullshit?
Why shouldn’t I be frustrated at that?
Republicans were interfering with a president that was playing by the rules. And he was still able to get a lot more done than he is given credit for.
Trump has thrown all rules out the window. At this point the only thing they can effectively do to stop him is impeach him and remove him from office.
lol who hurt you?
Progressives are pushing to change local voting systems from FPTP to RCV or Score/Approval/other so that Americans aren’t forced into a vote for the least bad candidate situation. Progressives are pushing progressive primary candidates to pull the whole party to the left, but in the primary voting D.
In the meantime in this current system, always Democrats unless they’re going to win easily, then you can vote your conscience.
Oh, just conversations I’ve had on here with “progressives”
i just dismiss those as trolls trying to wind me up (usually quite successfully, i exist in a state of NEEDS MORE COFFEE). when i was young and stupid and immature (and i had hair!), like in high school my conservative friends and i jokingly campaigned for the green party. we didn’t actually campaign, we just had some buttons on our backpacks. we were too young to vote and all. so like, now those high school trolls are online and they used to be me and know how to push my metaphorical buttons. but i used to be them (and tried to grow out of it, and hope i did) so i kind of understand them a little? does that make sense?
edit: that came out of my mind of course it doesn’t make sense
No, we’re going to blame you for your desperation to appear non-threatening and say you need to start showing up armed.
They’ve chosen to be complicit.
…when a corporation is a government, people do not matter…
Never did. I remember an article shortly back about enlistees feeling like pawns for the current regime, comments beneath unanimously ⁉️♟️🤣
…why do human beings hate each other?..
We are descendants of apes and they are ruthless in beef squashing!
I like you, but I must instantly take the opposite view…/s
Just jumping in here before the bags start shipping back to say fuck every single one of these service people. All of them chose to go. All of them chose to serve this lying, fascist government and do the bidding of their corporate patrons. All of them signed up to bomb children. All of them deserve the consequences. Have fun shitting in a bag the rest of your life assholes.
It’s the troops coming home from Vietnam being spit on and called baby killers again.
And that was the high point for many, as they’d end up addicted and living on the streets shortly thereafter.
Most of them are probably 18 years old, poorly educated, and raised on Fox News. They’re just pawns that have no idea what’s going on.
Congress on the other hand, knows exactly what they’re doing, and has no moral qualms.
You’re right, but the 18 year olds are probably educated on As
smeinkampfmongold and that is even worse.
Don’t blame soldiers. Blame their government.
Absolutely blame governments. But that doesn’t absolve soldiers from responsibility in a volunteer force. Absolutely blame soldiers for their own misdeeds.
This notion that our service people are somehow these fragile, perfect little angels that deserve nothing but effusive worship is nonsense, and part of how the government enforces its awful, self-serving corruption.
Fuck the soldiers, every single one of them. They signed up to do evil, they deserve to suffer the consequences. Can’t wait to ridicule them when a few of them get back.
You have zero understanding of the military and it shows.
Tell that to the 2 million dead in Iraq. Tell that to the people who suffered in Abu Grhaib. To the little boys who were forced to have sex with their moms, and to the dads who were forced to sodomize their sons and daughters. To the men forced to hold weights with the threat of death, only to have their arms snap in half due to the pressure. To those who were forced to eat their own fecal matter. America, and its military are the greatest evil the modern world has ever known.
Wtf are you even talking about? You are just saying things. That isn’t a response.
Don’t blame soldiers. Blame their government.
I’ll also blame the ranking officers.
The grunt soldiers may not have the perspective to see how illegal this is, but the officers should.
I don’t know how this ends well, we’re staring at the Rubicon. Didn’t end well for Caesar either.
I fear that it ends with nukes unless trump is stopped.
