• brooke592@sh.itjust.works
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    You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?

    It’s also always just enough democrats to make sure republicans always get what they want.

    Why people keep voting for them is beyond me. They must be stupid or something.

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      Who should we vote for otherwise? Every other option leads to Republicans staying in power, and they are the ones actually doing it.

      Don’t vote? That’s fewer votes the Republicans need to win, so they stay in power.

      Vote third party? That splits the opposition vote, and Republicans stay in power.

      And no, neither of those choices “teach the Democrats a lesson.” It just drives them to go to the people who do vote, who are more right wing, so it drives everything further right.

      You want a more left wing party? Show them that the left votes and our votes have value.

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      It’s because both parties are owned by the same Israeli lobby and the Zionist tech bro oligarchs. It’s not even a conspiracy it’s easily verifiable. Epstein and Gizzline worked for Israel to collect blackmail for Israel. We pay for Israeli’s to have universal healthcare, free college and a $400 monthly payment per child until they turn 18 but those things are evil and “communist” here. We the American taxpayers pay hundreds of billions for this stuff while Americans die and go into debt for sickness. Israel is a hostile foreign power do friends blackmail their allies? https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://wonderisrael.com/monthly-stipend-for-a-jewish-kid/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel

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        So we can have double-tap Obama and Genocide Joe? JFC dude, we deserve better

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    I love that this article makes funding ICE the fault of the Democrats, ignoring the fact that they are a minority. And the people in the comments here are eating it up.

    Do I think the Democrats have the good of the American people in mind? No. Do I think this article has successfully manipulated people into mentally shifting the blame, if momentarily, to the wrong party? Fuckin’ oath!

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      Dems have approved record funding for ICE every single year for the past 25 years. Dems can stop this anytime they want.

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      Bernie’s been in politics for decades, and how dare he’s not done anything about this! I don’t care if he’s in the minority and by definition the country is conservative but why the hell did we just vote him in? He’s really just Republican light!

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    Democrats are in the minority. They can’t win this vote so minority leader Jeffries gave up on obstructing it and told house members to vote how they wish. Because how Democrats vote on this bill will not affect its ultimate passage.

    This is a Republican bill by a congress controlled by the Republican Party.

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      Yet somehow even when they’re the minority, Republicans manage to obstruct the hell out of everything. Throwing up your hands and saying “oh well, can’t stop it” is weak as fuck.

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    It’d be great to primary every single democratic congressperson. I’m sure there are good ones. But it’s time for wholesale change. Make them fear the electorate.

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    Can we please begin to vote for a third party? Mexico did it…. Why not us?

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      We have 2 entrenched parties. The Republicans have about half the vote. If we fracture the vote on the left even a little bit then we lose. EG for example suppose we WOULD win with 51% of the vote suppose we convince 90% of the would be democrats to vote green.

      The vote is now 45.9 Green 5.1 Dem 49% Republican aaaaand we now lose for the next 100 years. This is actually the optimistic case. Even if you get a green candidate who satisfies literally everyone on the left some will KNOW this can’t fuckin work and yell at the defectors and some will dislike anything left of the dems and refuse to move so you probably get closer to 26% one and 25% the other. If carried out broadly enough you would hand an unstoppable super majority to the other side which they will use to fix it so your vote is suppressed forever.

      You can’t just vote third party you have to first reform the system. The most basic plausible move is instant runoff or something similar at the state level.

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      In Denmark we have 11 parties that have qualified to join the elections last time.

      It’s no big deal

      Although it’s not the one with the most votes that wins. The winner needs to have a minimum of seats and if not, they need to make a joint administration with other parties to sum up to the minimum number of seats

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        Your government is fundamentally different than ours. Given 2 large entrenched parties which are nearly equal in a system which is winner take all at every stage of the game any third party which gets any substantial portion of the vote splits the vote with whatever party it is most like ensuring its opposition wins.

        EG imagine you wanted to grow say the green party in given district which is 51% Dem 49% Republican. If it were to wildly successful it would need to grow from 1% to a plurality organically probably over several or even many election seasons. It is unlikely to get many Republican votes because Republicans have solidarity and its positions are substantially different so by the time the green party has grown to 3% of the vote its throwing every election to the Republicans. This continues to be true at 30% because 90% of its votes come from the left. At some point you would reach changeover and become the defacto left wing party but by that time you will have found the state has gerrymandered your district to the point where you can’t win and all the money essentially millions of dollars in legal bribes is still flowing to the now minority party.

        This is literally impossible to fix at the ballot box by people voting for third parties. This is why for example the green party has existed for 40 years and in all that time has never elected anyone to federal office and has in only a handful of cases held a state office wherein they run and stay green.

        The US system is designed to make this impractical and it has only become more so with intensely parties making getting votes from both sides increasingly ridiculous. Anyone you would want to elect is going to have to take a stand against essentially the American nazi party in power now.

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          We didn’t change to this right after being Vikings… systems can and should change with time.

          We’ve already seen major changes in the way politics work, just within the last 50 years.

          Party elites lost control when they were replaced by primaries

          Campaign finance rules were rewritten by the courts changing who funds them

          Gerrymandering was effectively legalized as a “political question”

          None of this was inevitable. It happened because laws, court rulings, party rules, and public pressure changed.

          So when people say “the system is broken and can’t be fixed,” history says otherwise

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    With Democrats like these, you may as well vote PSL, Green, or DSA.

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    “They’re terrified of being labeled anti–law enforcement,” an unnamed source told the liberal magazine. “They want this to go away…"

    Spoken like a true pussy, I mean democrat.

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      But this not what ice is. They aren’t law enforcement. That’s the problem, too.

      They are immigration and customs enforcement officers.

      And… we should be whittling their budget

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      Doesn’t matter they will get labeled something else. ICE is terrorizing MN law enforcement and the right doesn’t care. Insurrectionists terrorizing law enforcement on Jan 6, the right didn’t care. ICE is not a classic law enforcement agency anyway. These people are idiots and likely just making shit up.

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        Not even that. Republicans will call them anti-law anyway. They have been for years.

        This abstaineousness earns them nothing. The only reason to assume they took this position is that it’s what their donors want.

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      Surely Steven Miller will magically change his mind and the human rights violations will stop. Uh huh.

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        They want it to go away, they just don’t want to have to do anything to make it happen. They’d like the no risk, all reward option.