Summary: Republicans are 50/50, everyone else is strongly opposed.

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    5 hours ago

    So. No one will talk about the 48% of Americans that are okay with abducting the President in charge of a sovereign country so rich Americans could snatch them away their oil?

    Yes, foreigners, if you go to the USA, apparently that’s a hot topic.

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      I wouldn’t mind seeing it again but it depends on the circumstance. And the amount of circumstances depends on the “creativity” of others.

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    I have the funny feeling that Zionists like Stephen Miller and Randy Fine are pushing for the occupation of Greenland because it appeals to Groypers and is a way of ingratiating the Zionists with America First.

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      As we’ve been seeing, mostly the latter.
      He’s already ripped apart the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments at least and no one seems to care, not even the military, who are supposed to defend it.

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        Few elected officials seem to care, but plenty of ordinary people are waking up to the fact that political power is not something you can give away in a vote, it’s something you have to take.

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      12 hours ago

      no, through decades of propaganda they have been conditions either to think nothing will happen or something will “EVENTUALly” put a stop to it. thats why the protests if you call it that are largely ineffective, only a small portion of people are doing it.

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    20 hours ago

    70% of Americans approve of higher minimum wage and universal health care, too.

    It doesn’t matter.

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      higher minimum wage and universal health care

      Yet when you mention these, 70% of muricans’ Pavlovian brains will yell Communist!.

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      19 hours ago

      That means there has to be an overlap of millions of Americans who want this but still voted Trump. Does their stupidity know no bounds?

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        19 hours ago

        There’s a metric fuckton of Americans who would resurrect Hitler and the entire 3rd Reich before they willingly voted for a woman… let alone a brown woman… it’s ridiculous.

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          obama broke the minds of republicans and any people that dont like “blacks” that arnt republican voters for the sake of where they live in a blue area.

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          18 hours ago

          Which is why it is so strange to see the a female candidate pander to those voters. Plenty of stupidity to go around.

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            a woman isnt going to win either way if she dint, usa voters quite mysogynistic in various degree, you got the right wingers that are openly mysogynistics, but also the cloested ones that cant come out and say they dont really like woman.

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    19 hours ago

    25% of Americans are perfectly fine with the US just taking over independent countries. 75% oppose but only if they don’t have to do anything other than answer a poll.

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    75% of Americans are traitors then.

    But what did you expect from a bunch of ungrateful colonials who rebelled against the British empire. They were traitors from the start.

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    Jesus Christ I had some hints that Republicans would be coming to their senses, but fucking 50/50?!? These people are fucking lost, too far gone. They are beyond normal legal or democratic avenues. This is a violent, fascist authoritarian cult, and they need to be stopped.

    If they don’t change their minds when their country threatens real hostilities against former allies, then they will not be swayed by anything except force, combined with real, uncompromising economic destruction.

    Americans will need a general strike and armed protests at this point.

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      8 hours ago

      and they need to be stopped.

      A full-on embargo would be nice, and ironic.
      The caveat being a whole lotta world depends on AWS and such.

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      Alternative perspective, for what it’s worth:

      50/50 is actually comparatively huge. Considering everything else has been 90/10.

      The first departure from your god-king is always the hardest. I expect for many, this is the first break, and will make any subsequent break mentally easier.

      Also keep in mind that people who identify/lean Republican has taken a little more than a 10% haircut since January 2025. Any “republicans say” is an increasingly smaller subset of the total voting population… getting more concentratedly nuts as they boil off the more rational ones. Even with this more concentrated version of Republicans, it’s STILL not popular.

      Don’t get me wrong, it’s not GREAT… but there is a trend line. It’s not moving as fast as it should, but it IS moving.

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        9 hours ago

        There are some positive signs, with some MAGAs turning on Trump over Epstein, his warmongering, and possbily over Greenland.

        However, the pessimist in me expects that they’ll get re-educated by Joe Rogan and FOX News soon enough, into understanding the absolute necessity of putting nukes and ICBM interceptors on Greenland.

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        i dont see that trend, they are all in it or not. its a zero sum for them. “all the rational ones are likely remaining quiet while still supporting maga on the issue or in the maga-sphere already.”

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          You don’t see the trend? You mean you haven’t seen the aggregate survey data showing the trend? Or are you saying in your personal encounters, you haven’t observed any change?

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      They love authoritarianism, more than they love other people, democracy, anything. There’s a certain amount of neural wiring involved, as people lean into it, their amygdala grows larger and their fear of “others” and “chaos” intensifies.

      When I saw my mom posting a fundraiser for the Ice murderer’s family last week, I realized a cop could beat me to death in front of her, and she’d tend to his bruised knuckles in apology. That was the very last straw, I don’t know her anymore.

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        I’ve seen enough of the die hard maga folks talk that I see why authoritarianism appeals. It’s annoying to think and if someone just simplifies the world for them, they find that much more appealing.

        To scrutinize the actions of their leader is just too much work, so they just slip into the comfortable position of “this is my guy, I agree with whatever he says, even if I were to be even vaguely at odds with him, is just because he is better than me and accepting whatever is just the right call”

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        there was brain scan study to confirm this a while ago, the amgydala is larger on average compared to non-conservatives.

      • RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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        23 hours ago

        Yeah David Frum famously wrote “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

        He’s a former neocon Bush speechwriter and an ardent anti-Trumper. He would know.

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        22 hours ago

        That’s the distrust I think about every day, too. That so many would sell their families out for nothing.

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      22 hours ago

      Republicans have come to their senses. They’re not in denial anymore, they realized they’re evil and they love it.

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      It’s not even former allies. Denmark is a current ally according to treaties that are signed into US law. Sure the US is effectively no longer part of NATO but all of the official reasons for invading Greenland could be accomplished by Trump admitting some agreements made by past Presidents were actually good.

      This is all because one deranged old child molester wants to put his name on the map and a whole bunch of people are too gutless to admit that’s what’s going on.

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      I’ll be generous for a second and presume that the vast majority of Magas are racist but not directly evil, so to speak, just naive, dumb, and brainwashed by decades of poor education and fox news

      Either way, once this is over I’d happily vote for taking away voting rights from anyone Republican. Not for being evil, but for being too dumb to be able to vote

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        22 hours ago

        I disagree. Anyone should be allowed to vote. But I’d happily support mandatory civics classes to be able to do so, where you actually have to pass to get your voter registration number.

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          Hey look, the “civics” lessons in the South are oddly favoring conservative talking points…

          Historically tests for voting competency have not been to ensure educated voters, but to disenfranchise groups. You don’t want to open that door.

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          Anyone should be allowed to vote.
          have to pass to get your voter registration number.

          So not anyone, got it.

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      You could probably poll 10,000 random Americans and find about 25% that would be in favor of eating lightbulbs and severing diplomatic ties with the magical land of Oz. That bottom 25% of Americans has got some real issues.

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        Truthfully at this point I’m satisfied that 15% aren’t undecided on the issue

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      Hitting 75% agreement in US politics is honestly unusual today, so I think it’s a good sign that Trump has domestic opposition on this one

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        25% is a huge tipping point for social dynamics.

        If he loses just a little more support the whole MAGA movement will begin to unravel.

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          Not in US politics. If you have 51% of votes of whoever is The Party at the moment, you can make decisions without others impeding on them.

          If one party got 51 % of votes, then that means 26,01 % of all votes is enough to decide about the all of the country’s things alone.

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        Domestic opposition doesn’t mean shit if they don’t do anything about it.

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            I didn’t know if that’s “doing” anytime. It’s all rhetoric.

            They also said all sorts of stuff about curbing his actions in Venezuela but when it came time to vote they couldn’t even get it to need a veto.

            Maybe violating European sovereignty is a bridge enough to actually pass something, but I expect them to just let the veto happen

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            One interesting point in the article you posted rather than OP’s is that according to Ipsos only 17% of Americans approve of taking Greenland. I have no clue what the truth is but that number ‘feels’ a little more accurate.

            In short that would mean 17% of Americans are ride or die MAGA which sadly is a believable number.

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              Note that violent means only had 4%. So 13% wouldn’t mind a peaceful purchase. Which is still dumb but at least not as outright insane as Stephen Miller would go.

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              Do keep in mind there usually is a “I don’t know” option. So both numbers can be true.

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            You’ll excuse me if I don’t put much stock in the promises of Republican lawmakers. Particularly Murkowski.

            Ask yourself, honestly, what will they do when push comes to shove?

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        Didn’t Trump pass an internet privacy bill in his first term with like 7% approval? Wasn’t his first Healthcare plan also around that approval, though that didn’t pass. Isn’t national background checks for gun sales at like 95%? Why do people think their opinion matters?

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            Yeah, but they also make it clear to the world that we don’t live in a democracy. Especially when we go around trying to spread it around the world.

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      People are made vulnerable to their idol going haywire - by the need to rationalize having supported him. Thus the 50% of Republicans who bluescreened with “great leader always correct”. If they have time to read up on the issue, it will drop a bit.

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    So, there we are… there IS that second amendment thing that the people of the US are always proudly citing. My question to this is: Why don’t you proud Americans start to… well… doing target practice?

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      Frankly, I don’t see anyone domestically going to the ammo box over Greenland or nearly any foreign situation. That’s one of those things people will do soap box or ballot box, but not ammo box.

      The existence of the ballot box mollifies people, that nice, safe and easy mechanism is far preferred over the work or risk of the ammo box. I fear the project 2025 fall to understand this and will trigger people to the ammo box by denying them the ballot box, but at least in the moment this would be more of a voting thing.

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        I don’t expect americans to go after Trump over European affairs, if things escalate I am pretty sure the KSK is completely capable to relieve this Facist from its misery.

        What I expect is that the people of the US at least defend their own freedom.

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          Oh certainly I think they imagine the likelihood of a full way is low, not fall to recognize the likelihood of a more surgical clandestine op which absolutely could have a high chance of success even from one of the less resourced adversaries they are pissing off.

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      It’s become clear (to me) that most 2A nuts are MAGA, but guerilla war is never about numbers.
      Also, i’d wager the meager fighting back we see on the “news” is the one the media can’t avoid censoring, i’m sure it’s not that meager… just tiny.

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      The Americans pushing that misinterpretation of the constitution are for this and are really only interested in continuing to oppress the majority of Americans.

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      Yeah! We need to take Greenland because checks notes that’s where fentanyl comes from and without it we will get more brown people!

      Seriously brown people are all the argument they need. The racism is insane with the party. Maybe they can say that Greenland is being invaded by tren de aragua and we need to bring ice there to improve our community. It’s the same logic we already have right? As in, devoid of it.

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          Trump is probably on a personal Vendetta against Denmark because he stepped on a LEGO brick in some girls room at Epsteins place.

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            In truth he is in hoc to Putin, Putin wants Nato to die. The president of the US does not have the juice to pull us out of Nato direct, but they figure they can whip up nationalistic furor to imperial expansion to kill it.

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      They’re not looking very hard then, because republican leadership and propaganda machines have been peddling that thought for months.