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    In the face of fascist paramilitary death squads going door to door, you can’t even get every Dem to agree the fascist paramilitary death squads should be abolished.

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          If you can’t convince people to show up with signs and whistles, how do you plan on convincing them to show up with baseball bats?

          You can’t build a revolution out of nothing. You have to start by building a movement.

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            Democrats need to be different. Not talk about being different or how bad the other side is.

            They need to be an example of what different looks like.

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            They are already kicking in doors and executing in the streets, you aren’t building anything, you’re just fucking around and giving them all the time they need.

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          Actually electing more and better Democrats so that the fascists no longer hold power and we can use state to legally execute them for levying war against the United States

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            Can’t get more or better Democrats elected when they don’t themselves make the case for their existence with their actions.

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              A huge chunk of them cosponsor an impeachment of a particularly problematic official. They’re making the case right now

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                Its like its your job to simply not comprehend how politics work. Democrats have spent the past two decades making the case for why they aren’t worth electing.

                Your cheerleading doesn’t change that, and “Trump bad” doesn’t change that. Cheerleading harder or being mad at people for not cheerleading doesn’t change minds.

                Its not the people who need to change, its Democrats. They’re a failure of a party, and their failure to do anything meaningful with power when the actually have it prevents them from getting into power.

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                  When are people going to understand that “you’re doing it wrong” is not actionable advice on its own. If you want people to change their behavior, tell them what to do, not why what they’re currently doing doesn’t matter. Any sense of moral superiority you find by correcting people is immediately made null and void by the simple fact that you’re not actually doing anything; at least they’re acting on their feelings, even if they are (supposedly) misguided.

                  I don’t think you’re wrong about the Democrats; they’ve shown themselves to be unreliable time and time again, and trusting in them to do anything for us at this point is foolish. But you will convince no one of that by just telling people that they’re wrong; all you’ll do is demoralize them further and make sure nothing at all gets done. If you don’t want people voting Democrat, tell them who to vote for instead. If you think voting is pointless, tell folks where else to direct their energies. Hand out links, spread information you find useful, do something constructive to further your point. As it is, you are literally no different from the bots and foreign agents that infiltrate our social media to spread disharmony and despair.

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                Yes, but that’s the crux of the issue, isn’t it? Wrestling power back from them?

                Trump has expressed the idea of canceling midterm elections, and running for an unconstitutional third term. If their solution to dealing with the legality of things like these is “we’ll make it legal”, then what does the law actually stand for?

                As much as I would love my neighbors to the south to have shit-ideas flung at each other in a representative democracy, first you need to deal with the party that’ll use any means, inside or outside the law, to hold on to power.

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    Great to see it happening, but I wish a Republican introduced it. Not only would it show there’s a break for reason, but it’d also prevent it from being labeled a Democratic hoax, give it a reasonable chance of making it to the Senate, allow some Republicans to show an ounce of reasonableness to the cult’s face, reassure some allies that the party in charge hasn’t completely lost its mind, and serve as a warning to the cult.

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      You sure you really want that? If republicans start backing off now, people will forget all this, repubs will start winning elections again, the country will carry on like none of this ever happened, and we’ll be right back here a few cycles from now. The only way to solve this problem for any length of time is to follow it to its bitter end, anything else is just kicking the can down the road.

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    I’m willing to bet 100 dollars that this will go nowhere with the help of Democratic leadership and their members voting against it.

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      The number of co-sponsors has risen to 70 since this was published

      Only one third of the minority party in the House.

      Like, I’m not even mad at them. I just wish the party had over 70 people with more than an ounce of ethics or a gram of self-preservation instinct.

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    I mean impeaching cabinet members is kind of pointless innit? Trump can easilly find a replacement that is functionally identical. You have to cut the head off VP+President at the very least. But really just skip all that bullshit and start advocating for a Constitutional Convention, the US government is broken and a CC is the only non-violent option.

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      Why would you want a constitutional convention? Ratification of a constitutional amendment requires acceptance by 75% of state legislatures. 60% of state legislatures are controlled by Republicans, which as I’m sure you know is the party causing the vast majority of the problems you are referring to. Nothing good would come from that unless you are the type who wants to enshrine anti-DEI bullshit in the constitution.

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      Any new appointments would have to go through congressional approval. Of course they could potentially get rubber stamped by the Republican controlled Senate, but they are losing support of some of the Republicans in the Senate so it’s not a guarantee right now. I believe Thom Tillis (R-NC) and Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) have both stated publicly that they will block any appointments to the Federal Reserve so I can see them or others potentially doing the same for other appointments. This being an election year probably has a lot of them considering how they can save face for what they’ve let occur over the last year. I’m still making a lot of assumptions so who knows what would happen.

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      No. Following procedure maintains a sense of lawful government. While the act will fail, we will have a record if we ever get back to freedom.

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    What consequences? An angry letter from democrats asking to please stop?

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      At worst she gets to go home to her millions of dollars, gets a TV deal, and America stays on the exact same course.

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      Right now Democrats are in the minority. This is effectively demonstration that when they’re in power, there will be prosecution

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        Its funny you think they will do anything if they have power because history says otherwise.

        This is a good thing but let’s not delude ourselves too much. They are only doing this because Noam is an easy target and functionally not much will change even if she is impeached.

        It’s all optics. Good optics - it’s good policy and good politics imo - but not indicative of a fundamental shift in blatant opposition like we’d like it to be.

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          Lol. Its almost like you pay no attention to things like the Inflation Reduction Act and then claim that because you didn’t pay attention, they did nothing.

          Just negging

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            When they are dragging you and your family out of your house, you can rest easy knowing you have the Inflation Reduction Act.

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            What did the inflation reduction act do? Like materially how did it makes peoples lives better? Did people get better healthcare? Did the unhomed get housing? Did the starving get food? Did the unemployed get jobs?

            What did it DO?

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              It started creating a ton of jobs in the renewable energy and electric vehicles space to cut the cost of electricity and getting around.

              Republicans repealed it once they came to power

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                Do you see the point I am making at least? I’m not even saying it’s bad I’m just saying it’s not a meaningful fix for the systemic issues. It’s a bandaid on top of a wound that we are hemorrhaging from profusely.

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                  You want huge systemic change, it takes giving Democrats a 75% supermajority like they had to pass rhe New Deal. You dont get it by giving them a situation where picking off a single marginal vote with a bribe can derail legislation