• Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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          If you can’t convince people to show up with signs and whistles, how do you plan on convincing them to show up with baseball bats?

          You can’t build a revolution out of nothing. You have to start by building a movement.

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            Democrats need to be different. Not talk about being different or how bad the other side is.

            They need to be an example of what different looks like.

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            They are already kicking in doors and executing in the streets, you aren’t building anything, you’re just fucking around and giving them all the time they need.

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          Actually electing more and better Democrats so that the fascists no longer hold power and we can use state to legally execute them for levying war against the United States

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            Can’t get more or better Democrats elected when they don’t themselves make the case for their existence with their actions.

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              A huge chunk of them cosponsor an impeachment of a particularly problematic official. They’re making the case right now

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                Its like its your job to simply not comprehend how politics work. Democrats have spent the past two decades making the case for why they aren’t worth electing.

                Your cheerleading doesn’t change that, and “Trump bad” doesn’t change that. Cheerleading harder or being mad at people for not cheerleading doesn’t change minds.

                Its not the people who need to change, its Democrats. They’re a failure of a party, and their failure to do anything meaningful with power when the actually have it prevents them from getting into power.

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                    You keep trying to brow beat voters into voting for Democrats who haven’t showed up for them in decades, instead of focusing criticism on Democrats to get Democrats to be different, and you’ll lose the election for us a third time.

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                  When are people going to understand that “you’re doing it wrong” is not actionable advice on its own. If you want people to change their behavior, tell them what to do, not why what they’re currently doing doesn’t matter. Any sense of moral superiority you find by correcting people is immediately made null and void by the simple fact that you’re not actually doing anything; at least they’re acting on their feelings, even if they are (supposedly) misguided.

                  I don’t think you’re wrong about the Democrats; they’ve shown themselves to be unreliable time and time again, and trusting in them to do anything for us at this point is foolish. But you will convince no one of that by just telling people that they’re wrong; all you’ll do is demoralize them further and make sure nothing at all gets done. If you don’t want people voting Democrat, tell them who to vote for instead. If you think voting is pointless, tell folks where else to direct their energies. Hand out links, spread information you find useful, do something constructive to further your point. As it is, you are literally no different from the bots and foreign agents that infiltrate our social media to spread disharmony and despair.

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                    You are cynically wringing your hands about putting criticism where it is owed.

                    What isn’t constructive is the cheer-leading. What isn’t constructive is brow-bashing voters.

                    It handed two elections to the fascists. Stop it. You are doing real damage.

              • arockinyourshoe@lemmy.world
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                Yes, but that’s the crux of the issue, isn’t it? Wrestling power back from them?

                Trump has expressed the idea of canceling midterm elections, and running for an unconstitutional third term. If their solution to dealing with the legality of things like these is “we’ll make it legal”, then what does the law actually stand for?

                As much as I would love my neighbors to the south to have shit-ideas flung at each other in a representative democracy, first you need to deal with the party that’ll use any means, inside or outside the law, to hold on to power.

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                    He doesn’t need to actually stop them, just make them appear illegitimate. Also, in places where Republicans are in power already, they will absolutely do this and suddenly we’re looking at a midterm where the best outcome for Democrats is losing no power instead of gaining any.