How the hell can they just waltz into a country and just kidnap their leader without committing diplomatic suicide with the rest of the world?
The next US president should finally join the ICC and give retroactive authority to prosecute anyone associated with the current US regime. Neatly sidesteps any pardon shenanigans they’re going to attempt, given a US presidential pardon has no legal standing outside its borders.
Diplomatic suicide with the world happened many months ago, were you sleeping? Threatening Canada, Greenland, who else?
The thing is those are all threats people involved in diplomacy can rationalise away as public image stuff and not take seriously. Like don’t get me wrong, it’s going to have them on alert, but it’s not a bridge burning yet.
This is a physical act with no other interpretation. The US invaded a country and kidnapped its leader. This is a burnt bridge.
The US invaded a country that floats on oil and with a socialist government, most Western countries would be more than happy to feast on the crumbs of the pillage of Venezuela.
Yea, Maduro is the successor dictator of a notorious dictator. They’re getting no sympathies from western govts, maybe some chiding the US at best.
The removal of Maduro is a silver lining at best. I wanted the Venezuelan people to toss him out, but now they’ll just have to toss out my govt’s new colonial dictator instead :))))
The most frustrating part of it all is I can’t just drive 30 hours to the white house and start throwing firebombs. I’ve very much come to hate how VAST a country the US is as of late.
Both colonialism and neocolonialism need to be part of Western education.
But not OUR bridge, can any other diplomat rationalize?
Some will, but most will see this as confirmation he will act illegally rather than just threaten to. i.e. an escalation of threat from before this happened.
They’re still kissing the ring.
And figuratively grasping their knife behind their back …
figuring out how to cut any relience they have with the US. As soon as they can they will abandon us and the working class will suffer.
It’s what the psychopaths want. They want a poor, uneducated subservient proletariat to serve their wants
And you think the US invading another country will make them stop? If anything they’ll kiss harder to try to placate the monster.
I neither said nor implied that.
Because Maduro was a pariah, same as Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein. Obviously, it’s not about liberating the Venezuelan people. The US isn’t even pretending this time. It’s about oil and getting rich.
If you shoot a rat with a shotgun, yeah, maybe don’t do that, but thanks for killing the rat. If you shoot a dog with a shotgun, that’s pretty monstrous. As long as Trump takes out the worst folks, he’ll get away with it.
The next US president should finally join the ICC and give retroactive authority to prosecute anyone associated with the current US regime.
Not gonna happen. Trump is especially blatant, but imperialism is bipartisan.
Trump always said the quiet part loud.
Not to mention that SCOTUS would never allow it.
Every single goddamn american president after the us became imperialist should go to jail
So since founding.
Sure, they should but I can’t see any US president giving up their war crimes pass.
As an American I love this idea.
Trump and the rest of the GOP at this point are traitors to both their own people, and to the world.
Let’s throw a good number of the democrats in there, too. Not all of them like the GOP, but many of those assholes are also traitors.
It’d be nice, but I can’t see a country that has a Hague Invasion Plan to prevent any American from ever being tried by the ICC just, you know, giving that up.
Manuel Noriega would have a thing to say. At least Noriega was a legit narco boss.
Is it now a free for all for dictators? Trump, Netanyahu, Putin next in line?
U.S. Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, posted his potential concerns, reflecting a view from the right flank in the Congress. “I look forward to learning what, if anything, might constitutionally justify this action in the absence of a declaration of war or authorization for the use of military force,” Lee said on X.
YEA ME TOO! For fucking Christ’s sake. Wouldn’t that have been nice to have for the past 20 fucking years too. Maybe then we could avoid invading poorer countries to prop up “defense” stocks. There no money for schools, healthcare, housing, medicine, or food for children, but there’s a trillion fucking dollars for the military… to INVADE VENEZUELA???
Everything Trump touches, misery follows. And now, death follows him too.
Mike Lee is full of shit. He was not being facetious there, he’s literally looking forward to receiving his talking points on how to defend this shit.
Mike Lee is one of the fuckers responsible for this. He has let Trump do crime and bypass congress since Trump’s first term and suddenly, this is what makes him ask questions? He’s just trying to cover his own ass.
Psst, “nothing ever happens” people… This is where nothing cannot happen. I already can’t believe all the times he got away with ignoring the constitution, but no matter what your political alignment is, this cannot stand. He fucking can’t just bomb a country and kidnap its head of state, so that “the biggest oil companies in the world can make money” – that’s an (almost) direct quote from Trump.
Mike Lee throws bricks then pockets his hands.
Terrorist state. Next time anyone tells you they can’t act against a head of state you can tell them to fuck off.
Yep. And he’s not going to be released. Guarantee ther will be an “accident”. He’ll fall out of an open window- in a basement.
Learning from Putin?
Putin eyeing zelensky reeeeallll close now…
clinton too
Nah. He’ll “escape”, then found with two shots to the back and flayed skin. Then it’ll be considered suicide.
So on what stage of deflection are the “Trump and Biden/Harris are exactly the same” locals at this point? Anybody keeping track?
it’s the wrong time of day in russia to get an answer ask again in a few hours
Trump didn’t have the patience for a CIA-backed coup
What makes you think the CIA didn’t orchestrate and activate this?
I guess. Because most countries in the region would have gone for that option just fine. It’s not like Maduro has a particularly solid claim to his seat. Half the country and a bunch of even fairly left-leaning governments would have thought supporting the internal factions with a legitimate claim for electoral victory was a harsh but reasonable outcome.
And yet they went with “massive airstrike followed by a ground incursion to kidnap the guy” instead.
So… you know, that’s a difference, one would say.
And we know that Venezuela is going to be carved up like a turkey, because Machado said that Venezuela has a “'unique’ $1.7 trillion opportunity to privatize over 500 companies”
Insane that people in Venezuela don’t hear that and immediately understand that they will literally be siphoning that money from them directly. It’s literally their money.
It’s going to trickle down eventually /s
Well, let’s see who is in charge in Venezuela by next week, if anybody, and then we can talk about that. It’s one thing to… and again, holy shit, kidnap the sitting president and his wife, and another to enact a regime change without all-out violence.
Anyone who says they know what happens next is probably lying. Trump very much included.
idk if harris would’ve bombed venezuela, but i know that if she did y’all would be defending it
presumably at brunch
Yeah, definitely not true.
What a profoundly stupid and uninformed thing to assert.
Oh Im sure there will be way more of them to come around.
Edit- scrolled down. Enough idiots to go around surely. Imagine being so fucking dumb you equate the two parties like this. These people are so insanely fucking stupid it hurts the brain.
You do know it.
Be honest for a second.
You know.
FWIW, I don’t think it’d be a particularly unpopular opinion to support an intervention of some kind after the presidential election went the way it went. There are still plenty of people out there disingenuously pretending this is that.
But this is obviously not that. This is absolute insanity.
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You really think Harris wouldn’t have done this? Because AmeriKKKa is uniparty in terms of foreign policy.
Yes, you weirdo.
In what universe would Harris bomb Venezuela and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his wife? Are you nuts?
At some point the people just doubling down on this train of thought just make me reassess how warped and delusional the argument was during the actual election. I guess when you have the luxury of a hypothetical you can just go forever. Trump will pass a law requiring him to rub his bare ass onto every single female politician and these guys will be going “do you really not think Harris would have her hairy asshole pushed onto people as well?”
We live in the dumbest dystopia.
Obama bombed multiple african country. Maybe Harris eould have not attacked Venezuela but she could bomb other countries
Also let see how many establishment dems will condemn the abduction
Ah, we’ve moved on to the “maybe they wouldn’t have done this batshit crazy thing, but they would have done other things that are bad, so they’re the same”.
Except, obviously, a good way of telling that two things aren’t the same is that they’re different. Also, in cased you missed it, Trump bombed Nigeria on Christmas day. So this isn’t an “or” thing, this is an “and” thing.
Only clones are exacly the same. It is a fact that the US is sn imperlist power who love to destabilize and destroy other countries supported by the two political cults you have
Trump bombed Nigeria on Christmas day.
Yes, nobody denied that and defended it here
Who is “you”? I’m not American.
But there are differences between both US political parties, and given the choice, any non-American should absolutely be hoping the actively fascist party loses, obviously.
The notion that they’re both equivalent is so farcical it didn’t hold up to any scrutiny at the time when it mattered, and anybody that pushed that notion then is now partially responsible for this whole mess.
If you are not american that is even worse to defend one of the two cults.
Edit: Nobody said they are exatly the same. The democratic cult is better on domestic affairs but when it come to imperialism they are similar both was involved in bombing and destroying other countries
There he is!
Are you nuts?
Unironically yes
In what universe would Harris bomb Venezuela and kidnap Nicolás Maduro?
The one where I wasn’t born yesterday
Trump will pass a law requiring him to rub his bare ass onto every single female congressman and these guys will be going “do you really not think Harris would have her hairy asshole pushed onto people as well?”
I see, you don’t understand the difference between domestic policy and foreign policy.
You… think the differentiating element there is domestic vs foreign policy? That’s the objection you…
… you know what? I rest my case.
No, I think you’ve been duped by one faction of the capitalist class into thinking they represent your interests.
No faction in the US represents my interests, on account of my not being American.
But man, if I have to choose which faction is more likely to, say, roll up with tanks into Greenland, annex Canada or, and I can’t repeat this enough, bomb Caracas and kidnap Nicolás Maduro and his goddamn wife, I am pretty sure there is a single correct answer.
Yeah, the correct answer is both of them, since both parties are subservient to the will of the capitalist class.
America is potentially a democracy when it comes to internal affairs but it is absolutely an autocracy from a foreign affairs standpoint since there are only two national level political parties and they have the same foreign policy.
They demonstrably do not, on account of one of the two just having, and I can’t believe I have to keep typing this out, just kidnapped the president of Venezuela and his wife.
I am pretty sure that’s not some bipartisan policy. That’s the ending of a Metal Gear sequel.
That’s the lesson, isn’t it? People just say things online, and the things need to get entirely dissociated from basic reality before it starts showing that they’re just things people say on the Internet.
Screw under-16s. Social media should be banned altogether.
The de facto outcome is the same. A coup would have been staged regardless. The Republicans add a kidnapping for flair / to look good in the eyes of their supporters. In the end the outcome is neocolonialism / American corporate access to resources regardless. The overall geopolitical strategy remains indistinguishable.
I fully believe that you can write fan fiction for evil dems that will take you to whatever arbitrary ending this situation happens to have.
It’s a prodigious stretch to argue that “the outcome is the same” at this point, though. Especially since there is every justification for a solution without Maduro in power that isn’t an illegitimate coup. Because… you know, Maduro did not have legitimacy in the first pace, arguably.
But hey, who cares about details like what was actually happening or what people actually said or did, right? If you squint hard enough it all blurs together sufficiently to keep posting simplistic crap online.
Let’s not get lost in the weeds here. Trump has said that the US is “going to run” Venezuela until a safe proper and judicious transition can occur. Who will power be transferred to? Almost certainly Machado who has already verbalized her willingness to be a Trump/US vassal. This outcome would have happened under a democratic government also, +/- capturing Maduro. It’s not like the US has not captured heads of state to install their puppets before (Panama, as one of many examples).
Venezuela has 20% of global oil and has been selling 65 to 80% of its supply to China over the past several years. It nationalized its oil reserves decades ago which is typically considered a grave sin from the Western perspective (as Iran learned in the 50s). If we’re honestly reflecting on how America handles a situation like this, especially when it’s happened in their own hemisphere, it’s obvious that the elected political party has little impact on this geopolitical outcome.
See, unlike people willing to retroactively support their preferred choices I am making zero assumptions about what’s going to happen.
What Trump says is going to happen and what happens don’t necessarily line up, and there is zero indication that under a different US regime the outcome would be anywhere close to Maduro being deposed. That ship seemed to have very thoroughly sailed at the time of the election.
And certainly, CERTAINLY not this way. Not by kidnapping Maduro by force and hoping that somehow the internal opposition groups are spooked enough to put forward zero resistance to an opposition government as a US puppet. Even if that is nominally implemented at any point, that’s a whole bunch of new ships that need sailing.
So no, not at all the same, not at all an outcome you would have expected from a dem government and not at all something consistent with US geopolitical stances in the past what? thirty, forty years?
The one thing I’ve learned today is that cosplay online leftists will say pretty much anything and that I’m pretty sure any even vaguely left of center leader in the Americas is currently re-reading their emergency protocols. Including those in Canada. And certainly in Greenland.
The word “potentially” is doing a lot of lifting here 😆
laddies and gents we’re going back to afghanistan
the peripheral war is over, long live the peripheral war
The US has liberated Venezuela. Israel is liberating Gaza. Russia is liberating Ukraine.
Imperialism speaks a singular, reality warping, language. Subjects of “democratic” nations have always thought that their state stood for something. The reality is the US has been staging coups to create faux-democratic vassal states since before any of us were born. They even staged a coup in Ukraine before Putin invaded. Can empire and a true vibrant democracy ever be compatible?
Well that escalated quickly
gotta keep the deflect up from the epstein files
If bombing civilians and kidnapping heads of state is the level of deflection we’re at, then “Trump is a pedophile” could not even be the worst thing to come out of the Epstein files.
The Epstein files already have revealed allegations of infanticide against Trump.
But realistically, Trump’s personality doesn’t require him to compare the two things. He has one thing that he doesn’t want to do and it makes him look weak. And then he thinks people might be distracted if he does this other thing that he really really wants to do, anyways.
We’re lucky somebody must have kept Trump from dropping nuclear bombs on Venezuela.
Yeah, but third time is a charm, as they say. He surrounded himself with lunatics that may be worse than him.
Fuck off with your epstein files. It is terrible what happened to the epstein files and should be released but there are still ton of terrible things happening even worst thsn Epstein
The thing is, these files have the power to stop this evil man, and bring down the GOP’s reign of power.
These are reputable accounts of Trump’s pedophilia, child abuse, child rape, and even an account of being party to infanticide.
So we already know that about Trump and now he is doing another terrible thing like mudering civilians and kidnapping people and this suppose tocmake Trump look any better?
Idk, Epstein being Mossad pretty much ensures every document leading to heinous stuff.
How doing another very hineous thing like this is a good deflection from the files and other hineous things?
Like how many illegal regime changes have been effected so a particular state can retain a currency hegemony, including via proxy wars and proxy terrorism.
Oh my god he actually did the thing. What the hell! Holy shit I did not keep up with the news
Anyone who continues to support this inhuman parasite deserves nothing less than Nuremberg 2.0
Kidnapped, not captured.
I think we all had ‘Unjustified War with Venezuela’ on our bingo cards.
Locked the Nobel Peace Prize prize for this year in after outclassing the current winner’s work.
It will be renamed the Trump-Nobel prize for peace.
Oh. My. God. It is starting.
you’re mixing this up with Jan 7th
Wtf
