Economic concerns and growing disenchantment with both parties is draining support for Trump among Gen Z young men, a key bloc of support during the 2024 election
Male Gen Z voters are breaking with Donald Trump and the Republican party at large, recent polls show, less than a year after this same cohort defied convention and made a surprise shift right, helping Trump win the 2024 election.
Taken with wider polling suggesting Democrats will lead in the midterms, the findings on young men spell serious trouble for the Republican Party in 2026.
Younger Gen Z men, those born between 2002 and 2007, may be even more anti-Trump, according to October research from YouGov and the Young Men’s Research Project, a potential sign that their time living through the social upheavals of the Covid pandemic and not being political aware during the first Trump administration may be shaping their experience.
Lol until they find the next bandwagon to hop on that happens to hurt and kill other people.
Who cares.
They will change their minds again.
Vote.
My sister (F 22) voted for Trump over taxes, Haitian and Venezuelan immigrants. She is 1st gen, born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump. Every time I present new evidence of how bad Trump is, she pulls ChatGPT and “debunks my lies” with nicely crafted confirmation bias prompts. If you all know how to get through to GenZers, I am listening.
have the AI cite it sources for the claims it makes, and read through those sources. ask the AI what information it used in the source to come up with its statement.
using chatGPT in this way is like how I used Wikipedia growing up: just pull up an article on something, check out what citations an article had, and walk it backwards from there
Does the paid chat gpt actually cite?
The free one (which most people are using), when asked how much an aircraft carrier costs just links to the main page of CNBC and the department of defense.
I further promoted it and it gave me 404s
It does a mix of hallucination and self-correction once you tell it to search the web to actually find out current information. And even then, you don’t have a good chance of having truly accurate information. It really does take work.
When searching something online, I already many times came across AI written articles being quite high. So now it’s possible LLM will just cite another LLM which got its content from an LLM written response on Reddit.
Any 22 year old who’s upset about taxes is very very clearly being manipulated
Everyone should be upset how this country has lies to its citizens for decades on the premise of it can’t “afford” free healthcare and education. It is not a generational problem, but a societal one.
Yet half this country joyfully would wallow in their own shit if it means their neighbor suffers just the same as they are.
Or is financially independent. Are you assuming this Trump supporter is in college?
What does she actually know about?
Doesn’t matter what it is, literally any topic that she knows about, even if it’s the Kardashians.
One day ask her a question about it, then ask whatever chatbot she trusts, if they’re not the same, tell her she’s wrong and if she doesn’t believe you to ask her AI.
A big reason people think AI is smart, is they never ask it about something they know.
That sounds basic, but it means they never notice when any of their questions get a wrong answer.
Getting them to ask it about topics they know about, means they get to see how it can fail, and how a small initial error it makes can be extrapolated to the point everything else is bullshit.
Once they learn it’s not always right, they’re less likely to blindly trust it. That leads to them double checking some things, seeing it’s bullshitting more, and then double checking it more.
You need to replace the AI feedback loop with the rage loop. It ain’t hard to get a conservative there, get them to the point they’re asking chatbots questions they already know the answer too, just to see it get it wrong.
Ethics aside, if we don’t manipulate the idiots, someone else is going to do it.
You have two choices:
Put her down or call ICE.
The former is more humane, but the latter would be a lot funnier.
But seriously, I would just disconnect, or at most, I would ask her to have the chatbot provides sources and then ask her to pull them up.
If her learning that it’s making up sources doesn’t get through to her, I wouldn’t try anymore. Just accept that she’s either going to have to come through it on her own, or she’ll just progressively get worse and worse, and you’ll have to decide if you want to stick around for that, I wouldn’t.
Ask her to read the links from her ChatGPT queries with you. Do it together. Show her how ChatGPT is confidently and convincingly lying to her. And each time she comes back with another result from a biased prompt, do it again. Eventually she’ll at least stop trying to convince you that ChatGPT knows all, out of embarrassment.
born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump
Ho boy, I wonder how they’re feeling now with ICE running wild.
Or when they start trying to denaturalize everyone not sufficiently white based on quotas set by that dickhead Stephen Miller…
From another who has 1st gen relatives who literally entered illegally and who also voted Trump, the following are some reasons in no particular order. They fully believed he would only deport “the bad ones.” They STILL voted for him despite one part of the family who is still not fully citizens.
They still don’t believe non-criminals are being kidnapped, they still think he’s a good businessman, and still think he’s a great president.
The propaganda power of “reality” television is quite strong, apparently.
No problem. According to their bubble, that only happens to the bad people that didn’t follow the rules. Every single one deserved it in their view.
I’ve spoken to Trump supporters who are themselves illegal immigrants (overstayed visa). They don’t see the problem.
Ask what it would take to convince her.
She will probably require something which is just not practically possible.
If her assertion is not falsifiable, then its based on faith. You can’t argue with that.
This is a bit disingenuous. Convincing me that Trump is not an idiot would also require something that is not practically possible (namely him not being a total imbecile).
I’d love to pretend I have a tried and true method, but statistically I’ve hit more walls than bridges. The thing that works more often than others is finding something they care about that’s easily falsifiable and honing in on that. Do that a few times in a row and hopefully they see that they don’t actually know what they’re talking about because their politicians don’t want them to. One of the easiest for me has been to really explain the gun show loophole. Guns seem to be pretty important to people I interact with, even if they don’t own any. They really have no idea what gun laws are. One of the other more recent things is Hegseths changes and the Trump ballroom. Depending on how tech bro they are and how willing or able you are to keep them on topic, DOGE isn’t too bad, but it can get off track fast. If she’s spiteful, the new Trump accounts might be worth bringing up. It’s really not a bad idea, but that’s HER taxes going to a bunch of babies.
Ghost her, go no contact, on moral grounds.
Sorry, you support a criminal fascist pedophile warmonger.
Thats bad.
You’re bad.
Bye!
… Its really not that complicated.
You can make it complicated and go into ostracization as a means of effectint social change, of cutting someone off being a very costly form of socially signalling how serious you are about this…
But its really not that complicated.
I still say ‘Fuck you’ to them because they got us into this mess. Voting has its consequences and we’re suffering for it, because of their indecisive, easily manipulative and delusional minds.
There’s just no excuse to ‘not being politically aware’ when you always will have ample time to research about the candidates. You can’t just fucking go into the voting booths and just fill in the boxes of the candidates based on your party alignment then come out after voting being all like “I wasn’t politically aware” when they see the damage being done. But that’s what they did, that’s what majority of those 70+ million idiots did.
This isn’t like voting for some prom queen or prom king shit, welcome to the real world, morons. You fucked us over.
Ah yes, the Hillary Clinton strategy…
You’re aware these people will be voting for another ~50 years right?
They’re idiot kids who were taken advantage of, and you want to drive them to the right, by acting like someone on the right?
If you want to help, maybe you should become a Republican and chase people away from that party?
If you don’t want the R by your name to help the left, I don’t understand why you’re literally and significantly helping the right in that very comment
Do you just not under the ramifications of advocating for chasing teenagers away from the Dem party for life because of one vote?
I mean, we just got Hillary, Biden, and Kamala shoved down our throats. Lots of people who didn’t vote for any of those three can still be dependable lifelong Dem voters moving forward
We just have to stop shoving uncharismatic conservatives down their throats because “it’s the only other option”.
Screeching at people who didn’t vote for the incumbent party running a k-shaped economy and funding a genocide isn’t going to get you anywhere. You can’t run on “oh this guy is so bad” if you spent 4 whole years doing nothing about the guy who is so bad and expect to win, especially if you start racing him to the bottom on immigration and foreign policy.
Those type of people will never explain why we can’t just run a charismatic candidate with a popular policy platform…
Not only did they not research anyone before going into the voting booth, they weren’t involved in any step of the process. If they’re so mad about stuff why aren’t they doing the groundwork or even participating in primaries?
The last real Democratic Party primary was in 2020.
Most of the people we are talking about were literally too young to participate in a meaningful primary.
They had no opportunity to be involved in the process, and now they are being blamed for not participating. That’s the modern Democratic Party in a nutshell.
It’s still crazy how many people want to write them off as lost causes already.
Those little idiots are going to be voting for decades, it’s insane to stop trying to bring them around.
I genuinely can’t fathom how folks mad at gen Z voters don’t understand that their anger toward gen Z voters was equally manufactured as those gen Z voters support for Trump was.
How fucking stupid.
Meh.
I 100% get being mad at really any random voting demographic.
Like, pick a group. I got a bone to pick with them.
My issue is people who fall for the oligarchs propaganda that want us to fight along their carefully manufactured battle lines instead uniting against the oligarchs like we need to.
It’s why I’m such a broken record about wealth inequality. It’s the one thing that resonates with over 99% of Americans, it’s the obvious choice to use to unite the people against the oligarchs, and why they constantly have to manufacture other shit.
We solve that, and no one’s pushing all the other shit as distractions, so it solves most of our issues at once.
4 years under a progressive with support of the House and Senate and we wouldn’t even recognize America, and I mean that in a good way.
