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We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

we both agree M4A is the way to go and ask why are we compromising at all?

The question is, will M4A pass? If it won’t then an incremental improvement is better than nothing. We could have had Carbon Cap-and-Trade decades ago, but we went for the full thing, got nothing and already have climate change.

Also again, while we’re discussing this as addressing healthcare, this move may be a move not to directly affect healthcare costs, but rather affordability for all Americans. If “M450+” becomes law, how many of the highest paying jobs will suddenly open up allowing every rung underneath to move up and increase their pay which directly addresses affordability of everything and not just healthcare?

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Dropping to 50 is dumb

I’m not so sure of that. I’m a full advocate for M4A and I agree lowering the Medicare eligibility age to 50 won’t do that. However, it may do something else.

There are a significant number of 50-64 year old Americans that are still in the workfore because of the cost of healthcare at these ages is so high and they aren’t eligible for Medicare yet. While many in this group are lower income, a sizable chunk are also middle and upper income. This last group are in well compensated jobs that they may not actually need, but they stick around for employer subsidized healthcare (because ACA subsidies have a much smaller income ceiling/cliff).

If this group of Americans could suddenly quit and still have affordable healthcare, that would open up lots of high paying jobs for the younger generation to advance into. So while this “Medicare for 50+” won’t solve the M4A need, it might seriously increase the income of Americans under 50 years old that need it the most.

Hey Mike, I just did a web search and could find zero reports of you denouncing the Ramaswamy ad prior to election day even when other sitting Republicans were including the Governor of Ohio.

Your silence on that means you own it too. Even if you’re scum and agreed with the hateful ad, you could have played politics and denounced it anyway. Except you didn’t do that either.

If you think the ad lost you the election then you have to own your actions to support it in silence. The fault is no one but yours.

Top federal prosecutor threatens payback for investigations into whether Trump’s $400 million ballroom donors are getting anything in return from the administration

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

What would the left be without the self-serving finger-waggers claiming people are not ‘radical’ enough?

Stop talking to tankies.

How about saying “Mexico’s Gulf” to get around this stupid law?

I don’t know who Van Hollen is, yet I support Van Hollen for majority leader too.

Yes this was an election on trump, but not ONLY on trump. Paxton was hated by Texans, Ramaswamy in Ohio thought attacking his opponent with a pedophile defender ally was a solid political move. Collins in Maine is embroiled in a corruption investigation.

The Republicans that are not trump contributed plenty to their own defeat.

I am wondering if the GOP sees this voting bloodbath as a referendum on trump. If so then they might feel he’s more of a liability than an asset and they 25th Amendment him.

“If I had a bowl of Skittles and I told you just three would kill you,” Trump Jr. wrote on Twitter in September 2016, Reuters reported. “Would you take a handful? That’s our Syrian refugee problem.” The maker of Skittles objected to the post, the news agency reported.

So trump is making an argument against 100% of immigrants, not just those from Syria. That stands in direct conflict with his policy of increased white South African refugees. Musk, as white South African immigrant, is projected to be responsible for over 14 million deaths by 2030 because of his work in DOGE destroying USAID. That’s one shitty Skittle, but I see trump doing nothing about it.

Not that I’m defending Greek life, but advocating the banning is suggesting it is Greek life that is the cause of party and hookup culture. That seems to be a very suspect position. Partying and hooking up exist in many many places where Greek life doesn’t and has never existed.

I doubt young people are going to give up on partying and hooking up just because there isn’t a frat or sorority house around. It seems more likely the outcome of banning Greek life is that the party and hookup culture continues to exist outside of the Greek life events and locations.

I don’t know what state you live in, but thats how it works in mine.

In mine, each county has a County Board of Elections which determine the number and location of polling places. Those County Board of Elections members are appointed by our Secretary of State. The Secretary of State is an elected position by all voters in the state.

So again, Gerrymandering would have zero effect on location or number of polling places in my state.

How does it work in your state where you’re seeing Gerrymandering could affect the number or location of polling places?

Can you give an example of a rule you’re thinking of that a gerrymandered state legislature has made that will have a material effect on the outcome of the state’s US Senate race, or even more specifically on Ohio’s which is where this conversation started?

I expected him to cheat.

I’m wondering if thats why he’s shocked that he did cheat but still got blown out in the election results.

especially as horribly germmandered as it illegally is.

We’re talking about a US Senate seat here. Gerrymandering has no effect.

I’m sure there’s a School House Rock episode that would explain this better than I can, but the short of it is this: Each state in the USA, no matter how big or small, gets TWO US Senators they send to Washington to represent them in the Senate, no more, no less. Both of the US Senators represent all residents of the state. Every 6 years (the length of term of a Senator), all residents in the entire state vote in that US Senatorial election.

You may be instead thinking about races in the US House of Representatives where there are Congressional districts carving up the geography inside a state. There’s no such concept for the US Senators each state sends to Washington.

I’ve already voted.

Ramaswamy’s ad may have ensured a Democrat wins the Senate.

I hope obvious political stunt list leads to real problems for the list makers.

I think they’re not actually going for a stunt to win political points. Instead, I think they’re trying to create a legal pretext to challenge the results of the election when the GOP get voted out. They’ll refuse to relinquish power citing some well meaning historical laws regarding election results exceptions as a justification for their autocracy. Even if they finally concede under the rule of the courts, they may be going to just extend their control and influence beyond the established time when they should have been gone.