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Dmitriev gave a statement following his meetings in the US. Let me remind you that this was actually the first visit of this level since the beginning of the war, and sanctions were temporarily lifted for it.
As a result:
The timing of a new round of negotiations between the US and Russia will be determined in the near future; The resumption of direct air travel is under discussion; US businesses are ready to take the place of companies that left from the EU [they know how to appeal to Trump]; Overall, the US is taking a constructive stance and behaving respectfully.Judging by the statements, the talks were successful, but in practice — the truth is in the outcome. We’ll see whether there are any developments soon regarding the implementation of Russia’s conditions for a “maritime truce” or, on the contrary, whether Russia will make concessions and agree to it without sanctions being lifted.
Also, a reminder that in a few days, a Ukrainian delegation is set to hold negotiations in the US regarding a resource deal that Trump has already openly referred to as part of a peace agreement.
All in all, it looks like another round of diplomacy may take place next week. A maritime truce and a signed deal by Ukraine could be on the horizon. If that happens — or even if specific dates are set — the chances of a full ceasefire by the end of the month will significantly increase.
It’s more obvious than a sunrise that Trump doesn’t work for America.
Well, why should Agent Krasnov put tariffs on the hand that feeds him, good old Vlad? 🤷🏼♂️
So US imposed tariff on penguins, but 0 on Russia!
Fairly sure that’s because Russia is heavily sanctioned by thr US already, alongside North Korea, Cuba, Iran etc.
Things are bad but let’s not spread hysteria.
That was also the official argument from Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson of the White House, although last years trading volume between Russia and the US still was about 3.5 billion USD (roughly three times of what Ukraine - US traded).
The question whether tariffs for Russia makes sense or not is rendered meaningless given the fact that the whole tariff plan is just wild (super small countries with a mimiscule part of trading volume still got heavily sanctioned etc).
You are right that we should not spread hysteria, but we should still question statements coming from government officials.
Agree with what you’re saying here and I think I need to do some more reading. Getting the impression that I’ve been misinformed/mislead.
That is less than sending 19 billion to Israel for free
don’t read the news because it might get weird for you
How does this point keep coming up? It’s been refuted like a dozen times in every post I see. Feels like intentional disinfo at this point.
You can believe what you like but I’m not here to spread disinformation. Looking at the replies from other people I think I’m just misinformed and need to do more research. It’s possible to be wrong on the internet without it being tied up in a conspiracy.
Right, but the number of people spreading the same wrong thing in multiple threads hours after they were openly provided direct info as to their error, starts to make it seem like a coordinated disinfo campaign.
Yes, it is possible to be wrong on the internet without a malicious intent. It’s also possible to spread disinfo without being a malicious actor, since the whole point of disinfo is to get other people to take it up and spread it, occluding the real issue and disrupting genuine conversation about it.
For clarity, I am not accusing you of being a malicious or disingenuous actor here. No offense, but I doubt you arrived at your position in a vacuum, you probably heard it from somewhere else first I imagine?
It’s a logical conclusion from quack, imo. It’s the second thing that came to my mind after the obvious ‘oh duh cause he’s Russias agent’
Yeah, it’s hard to put a tariff on a country that you have already sanctioned and don’t trade with at all. But that fact doesn’t play well here.
The US has 3.5 billion in trade with Russia. The tariffs include Iran; Venezuela, etc… they also slapped them on countries which we have a trade surplus with.
It’s also looking like they used chatgpt to write the list but then specifically omitted five countries. Russia, north korea, Cuba, Belarus. Russia and its fine closest allies. How can anyone see this and not think the Kremlin does t own the Epstein tapes
In terms of nations, I really have no idea what 3.5 billion means. Like is that a lot? I feel like we probably trade that much with China in like what, a week? A month, a day?
He tariffed countries with no people and trade deficits of thousands of dollars, and tariffed Ukraine.
they released the JFK tapes! several times!
honestly i remain skeptical any “kompromat” on trump exists. or any Epstein documents remain that matter. we’ve all seen it
I was skeptical up until the tariffs. Now it’s obvious they’ve got blackmail.
Alao an interview with epstein was leaked last year where he mentioned trump having sex on his plane. But in 2017 that clip was suppressed for some reason.
We know trump flew on that plane many times and that it was rigged with secret cameras
i wouldn’t say trump wasn’t a super gross Epstein buddy, we already know that.
“rigged with secret cameras”, so what. where is it now.
edit I know nothing is forthcoming. there’s nothing. stop fabricating and focus on what’s happening, because it’s already terrifying
There’s nothing that explains what orange man is doing better than blackmail.
I doubt it’s a blackmail thing, because at this point, not one of Trump’s supporters would give a damn if it was clearly proven that Trump personally took CP pictures.
I think Putin just whispers sweet nothings into Trump’s ear and controls him that way.
A large part of their movement is based on aesthetics. And csam is probably a bridge too far for them. It just looks ugly. But I have no doubt many of them don’t care about that either.
But from the blackmail angle, the public image of a sick pedo is not compatible with the orange man’s public facing persona and his narcissism would make him the perfect blackmail target
I miss Gilbert
I’m sad now.
Guys I think there’s some evidence that this is, shall we say, Russia friendly (such as the astronomical tariff rate on Moldova of all places), but Russia isn’t included because it’s a “Column 2” country alongside Belarus, Cuba, and North Korea, and therefore all subject to the stiff tariffs we already impose on the worst of the worst. Please let’s not share things like this which just make us look gullable to the morons on the right supporting this buffoon. It’s not a good look.
Do you have a source for this? I checked https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypxnnyg7jo but cannot find this.
Edit: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/17517599 says that some countries are not included in tariffs because they are sanctioned instead.
Look at section 3(b) of the executive order linked here, at the portion discussing “column 2”:
I wonder why…
That picture is one of the funniest I’ve ever seen. Absolutely a classic.
Here’s a treat, don’t consume them all at once: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961853/Trump-ruthlessly-mocked-social-media-disgraceful-performance-Putin.html
Kompromat
You can view this one of two ways, possibly both:
- Krasnov
- Trump apparently was doing these tariffs based on trade deficits (Which is stupid on its own, if your dentist doesn’t buy the widgets you sell, that’s not a tariff.), if Russia wasn’t running one, then there you go.
To rebuke 2 I present the following- https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
Based on that math, with the CNN article I linked for the formula (the country’s trade deficit divided by its exports to the United States times 1/2) we get - (2,500,000,000 / 3,000,000,000) * 1/2 = 0.416666…
So Russia should have a 42% tariff based on their purported 83% tariff on us.
Trump seems to think the trade deficit is some sort of debt that we’ll have to pay off in the future.
The overall goal of bringing manufacturing back to the US isn’t necessarily a bad one, but this is probably the worst way to go about doing it. One article I read pointed out that it would take many years of consistent tariffs to generate that kind of interest and investment - but anyone with half a brain knows these tariffs could be gone tomorrow, so there’s little inclination to actually try to build factories in the US based on this move. No reasonable investor would want to bet their company on Trump acting consistently.
…pointed out that it would take many years of consistent tariffs to generate that kind of interest and investment…
That’s the scary thing. Citrus-Hitler assumes he’s gonna have himself and his policies in place for “many years of consistent tariffs.”
And that’s how you end up in Guantanamo.
Krasnov strikes again! Until there is evidence to counter this theory, it satisfies Occam’s Razor.
Should tell you everything you need to know.
Do people not realize there is no US Russia trade so tariffs would be moot.
no US Russia trade
U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia
But what’s a few billion between friends?
No US Russia trade YET.
Uh? Of course he isn’t. Why would Putin tell him to put tariffs on himself? That makes no sense.
The US has been sanctioning Russia for the better part of the last decade. We aren’t tariffing them because we aren’t trading with them.
We also aren’t tariffing Venezuela, Cuba, or North Korea, for the same reasons.
But McDonald island is ripping the USA off!!!
But tarrif on seals in the Antarctica region? Doesn’t seem like logic is driving any of this.
Maybe, but apparently we’re tariffing multiple uninhabited islands. It would seem that active trade is not a perquisite for tariffs these days. can’t be having people move out there and not getting tariffed in the future.
I hope he puts tariffs on Mars next. Maybe after he falls out with musk.
Man the Sentinelese are gonna be pissed when they learn about this.
They are eating the dogs and now they are tariffing the penguins.
Surely American trades some products? Where does Russian vodka come from?
I was under the impression that we (in Canada) get our vodka mostly from Finland, but it’s been a while since I worked as an alcohol purveyor… I’m ashamed of the things I did during those years, but I’m in recovery now, thank you for your concern
idaho i think
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1306859/us-imports-by-commodity-from-russia/
It does look like we import about $3B/year. Mostly fertilizers, which make up 1/3 of total imports, and some raw metals and a bit of heavy machinery. But that’s minuscule beside our trade balances with the top of his tariff list - China, the EU, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, and India. We do $20B/year with tiny little South Korea, as a point of comparison. We bring in $6B/year from South Africa.
To my knowledge, we don’t import Russian vodka in any significant quantity. Anything “Russian” branded is typically imported from one of the neighboring states - Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Romania. Red Army Vodka, for instance, is from a Polish company.
He slapped a 50% tarrif on Lesotho, so it’s clearly not about size or impact.
And the UK got a 10% tariff applied even though the US doesn’t have a goods trade deficit with them.
Some people are saying that this is cause Trump likes us.
Now that is a lie. He only likes himself and Ivanka.
I know. It’s insane.
it’s funny that this is being downvoted. lemmy is basically reddit. rooting for the good guys, but also dogshit stupid
Downvoted because it’s wrong : We aren’t tariffing them because we aren’t trading with them.
So are some inhabited islands which are hit by tariffs. Maybe the dogshit stupid is the one not seeing the ties between trump and putin.
Systems that have voting mechanisms result in hive minds. It’s an inevitable result.
1st someone is much more likely to vote something up or down depending on how positive / negative it is. So it snowballs sort of like compounding interest
2nd the simplest most common denominator takes bubble to the top. Precisely because more people can understand and therefore vote.
It’s why you’ll always see some screenshot of Twitter much higher than a long in depth article. Even though the article has infinitely more value.
Damn you sound very smart, please tell me more
Un-fucking-real.
This presidency will be such a shit stain on the world. The world will never trust the U.S. in the same way it did before.
Over a century of trust and partnerships destroyed in less than 100 days.
Well. The bridge took some damage in the previous Trump admin as well.
I think far too many people forgot those times.
Or never knew them to begin with
As well as it should not trust the U.S. the same again. While i absolutely despise the orange turd he has shown what has been true before: The west has been too reliant on the U.S. ,which both sides enjoyed while it lastet, as the U.S. called the shots, the rest of the west followed and we all benefitted (often on the backs of the global south ofc). No more. Maybe some good will come out of it (strong hopium, i know)
not trust. coercion.
and i’m so glad it seems to be ending.
For context, Cuba, North Korea, and Belarus are also not tariffed because they are sanctioned instead.
I wondered the same thing. Why would you add tariffs if it’s illegal to even trade with them?
One wouldn’t, which makes all the Krasnov comments in this situation entertaining.
