• InvalidName2@lemmy.zip
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    Ironically, so does his medical team. Based on the bruising, wouldn’t surprise me if they’re having to draw blood constantly for all the testing required to keep his corpse functional.

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    We will absolutely not regret sinking it if you do that. How many warships will it take to do the whole line of succession?

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      Seriously. What do we need to do to get you to follow through on that? Is there a go fund me?

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    This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.

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      And it was unarmed, coming back from an exercise that was essentially a parade. Bonus points of shit!

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        Apparently the US had pulled out of that exercise at the last minute. So it’s the dickest of dick moves.

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        I just learned that five minutes ago, and it really does make it even worse.

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      This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.

      In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.

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      Different from smashing their airfields with missiles? Or, is it different because of where it happened?

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        It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.

        I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.

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          I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.

          To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.

          OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.

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            Good points, especially this one:

            To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.

            I skipped right over that but it’s part of it for sure.

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    Hey Iran!

    Don’t forget about the rest of his family and all the sycophants that prop him up.

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    You can fucking have him… If he’s got any blood left in him and it’s not all just McDonald’s brand cholesterol™, you’re welcome to it.

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      The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.

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      why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.

      he’s clearly the bigger evil here.

      iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.

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      well you can simply vote out trump at your next election if you wish

      you can’t vote out a dictatorship

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        the dictatorship is capitalism here in the US. it also can’t be voted out.

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          It could’ve been. But dumbfucks threw a tantrum over Harris.

          This is on their heads. Never let it be forgotten.

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            While Harris would have been an objectively better president than trump, I don’t think voting for her would have voted out capitalism…

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            don’t forget: the ppl who voted 3rd party.

            even if they voted for harris she still would have lost. she did a piss poor job at her campaign. if the primary actually picked her instead of joe dropping she’d likely have done much better.

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        I kind of doubt that will be true. Don’t you think if our system actually worked trump would have been some how taken from presidency? Or at least something would be happening. Like anything real…

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          The problem isn’t the system. The system exists only to help the people maintain the upper hand. It’s the people themselves. Trump is only a symptom of a problem with the people. In fact, even if he drops dead tomorrow, you’ll find a queue of a couple of dozen even worse psychopaths waiting to take his place.

          It’s hard to see the problem when you’re part of the US society. But it’s evident from the outside. An average of more than one school shooting happens in the US per day. This isn’t even a news these days. But it’s unheard of and unbelievable in other nations. If anything similar happens, it would be news and discussion for a year. You don’t go to churches or malls or railway stations (there is such a thing) worrying if you’ll die of gunshots.

          Political assassinations are a big deal elsewhere - even of a political opponent. You should have seen the US republicans celebrating the murder of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. So the left must be good, right? Of course, they were celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The sudden disappearance of a human life is something most people can’t stomach. Yet, people were celebrating the gory videos!

          Similar attitude with armies. There are no just wars. Wars always cause unjust and unimaginable suffering. Wars must be avoided. Of course that’s not an option sometimes. Then your aim must be to attain the objective as fast as possible and restore peace. But all wars are holy wars for Americans. They don’t even tolerate it when I suggest that even their military may be committing war crimes (that’s charitable, considering what’s reported). To them, their military is the righteous force that can do no evil!

          This is part of a pattern of excess pride, often called the ‘American exceptionalism’. Americans also give little value to perspectives of people in other countries. Many behave as if the US is the entire world! Problems like the Trump-Epstein regime will continue to repeat until Americans start to introspect and self-criticize. It will happen until a big section of Americans open up their mind to the perspectives of others.

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      Iran loves to issue empty threats.

      They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.

      If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.

      If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.

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        The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.

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          You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam?

          Killed a whole lot of people

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            Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?

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              We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.

              But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.

              Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.

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    I would never have thought the day of me agreeing on anything with those cleric lunatics will come, but here it is. We all want to see trumps blood.

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      I doubt that he has any left. Why else would he be so blood thirsty?

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    Just take him to Iran and tell him it’s for a blood test. Let the Iranians worry about collecting the sample.