Yeah, a desire for violence has fomented in the left and it’s hard to condemn as someone here in it because it’s in many ways “stop stepping on the snake”. We’ve watched people march with swastikas, we’re seeing dehumanization of marginalized groups, we’ve protested against police violence, and now masked government agents are taking people to detention camps. And that’s not touching on the climate issue.

I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. I want no more violence, but that feels off the table. The left is arming because we’re fucking terrified. The queer left in particular has reason to fear. But I’m increasingly seeing the need for pacifists, nonviolent resistance, and people who can talk to people who don’t agree with us yet.

What I desperately want is for all people to be free to live as they choose and to have enough.

Good to hear she’s reaching out to the 42% of her constituents in the city of new york

Exactly, you need to come off as the good guys and the ordinary majority. Violence turns people off unless they’re pretty invested

Yeah, there’s a reason I morally and tactically oppose political assassination. Morally because Yeah, if someone deserves to die it should be handled with utmost care and deliberation. But tactically because it always fucking works against you. I’m not sad he’s dead, but if it was someone on my side I’d be fucking pissed.

Lol no. Well until I got attractive and funny in high school

Resistance is violence. We desire peace which will be achieved whenever you lie down and take it

Truth is dead because everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of public opinion

Because if a single bad person tm likes us then we all deserve to be rounded up by the government. /s

They’re just trying to manufacture consent fir atrocity however they can

Hes an easy target. Open nazi, been caught with trans porn, latino, lives in his mom’s basement…

The only worry is that his supporters are all but exclusively exactly the profile of someone who does mass shootings or political assassination in this day and age.

Jackson did the trail of tears. Wilson was a member of the KKK. Hoover took the economy into a Trump level nosedive.

Listen Biden really fumbled here, but we’ve had some abysmal presidents.

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Smh those are his verbs

Yeah there’s a ton of main character syndrome from the lot of them. None of them feared gun violence. The women seemed to never care that their side was pushing for the Christian version of Iran and that they personally would suffer in that situation.

Exactly, and if you’d watched his long standing stuff it was always very much him debating to a crowd using bad faith arguments and taking advantage of the fact that he had a skill that’s easy to not be aware of, is completely irrelevant to the stated goal (proving that one is correct) or implied goal (coming to mutual agreement), and that most people he debated lacked. Furthermore because he was the one recording any time he loses he can not publish it. He financially, professionally, and emotionally was never in a place conducive to productive debate and discussion. And I would argue he was in many ways antithetical to the concept of university.

Debate as a competition cannot be fair when it attempts to reflect healthy and positive debate because in that case the better side has an advantage unrelated to player skill. What Kirk was doing was a long campaign against consensus reality. He was particularly skilled at combining the Shapiro tactic (priming the audience by saying you’ve won by using facts and logic so that’s what they see) alongside a belligerent strategy (ie constant advancement regardless of merit) and politely phrased incendiary ideas to tilt his opponents and make them lose their cool and seem overly emotional.

He was a rhetorical stage magician

I wonder how close they could get to putting one on the jail.

We spent a long time trying to unilaterally declare peace and people like Kirk stood ardently against those efforts. We begged, we pleaded, we disproved, we mocked. When we reached out a hand it was treated as weakness. When we offered their proposals they called it communism. Biden was our compromise candidate, Harris campaigned hard on reaching across the aisle. Now the right has military occupation of multiple American cities, as opposed to just the paramilitary occupation they had in the past few years.

So right now yeah we won’t lionize him, we won’t miss him. He was, as they say, no angel.

When the right wing is ready to unify we can start talking.

Yeah i don’t just fear for myself and my family, I fear for my people. That friends I haven’t seen in years will be struck down and I won’t know until day of remembrance

It’s ok he had it a few weeks ago

Do you want a 30 years argument, bringing this up is how you get that

Good. 3/5 is concerning though