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“Very, very senior” officials in the Trump administration have had secret meetings with far-right Canadian separatists trying to shake the foundations of the country. The covert meetings between high-ranking U.S. officials and the Alberta Prosperity Project come as a widening rift appears between Canadian leadership and the White House. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney used a speech in Davos, Switzerland, last week to call out President Trump for creating a “rupture” in the existing world order.
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Trump and his administration are a dumpster fire. Countries should just cut all contact at this point.
How is this not an act of war?
Installing violent juntas in South America is so 20th Century. Now we’re installing violent juntas in North America.
What do you want us to do, not install violent juntas?
No one here wants this. It’s an incredibly small minority of morons and nothing will ever come of it. It’s just a bunch of noise because our premier is a piece of dog shit. She will be gone come next election, if she lasts until then.
From your lips to God’s ears, gentle Albertan. I’m out in Ontario and get wildly different takes on how “serious” the Separatist movement is. Some people report is as you say, some say it’s “gaining traction”. Highly suspect sources go further, claiming the idea is popular. Even screening out Post Media, there are journalists reporting it as a “very real threat due to institutional support in the Premier’s office”.
No, there is no “gaining traction”. The only conversations being had are behind our backs within the provincial government and then that stupid fuck going down to the USA.
Thats what we thought back in 2015 when Trump first ran for president in the U.S… Now look at us.
If Canada is smarter than America, they will deal with this decisively. It’s one think to be a big dickhead online, screaming for revolution. It’s a whole other thing to be meeting with representatives of a hostile government who has made many threats of invasion. That’s fucking treason, and Canada should deal with it right the fuck NOW, and send a clear message to future traitors. Don’t wait to see if it gets worse, like we do here in America, deal with it preemptively.
Well, it seems that it is perfectly legal to abduct a country’s president with military force and then put them on trial.
Care to help us out Canada?I will take more than just Trump.
What’s it going to take for Canada to start you know viewing this as treason from certain people? Cuz it’s absolutely treason.
Yup, needs to be shut down and them charged, and then you’ll see a US temper tantrum, which just proves what they were up to.
Trump will offer asylum of course. He will use it to prove that Canada is abusing its citizens and then have them condemned by his board of peace.
He will allow immigration like with South Africa under the guise that Canada is woke and punishes its citizens who love God.
I live in the treasonous province and I’ll tell you most people in Edmonton at least are real Canadians and not fascists.
The fairly luke-warm ‘stay’ petition, rabid ‘leave’ petitions, and generally failing recall attempts, seem to paint a slightly more muddled picture.
At least BC’s premier is openly using the Treason word for this shit.
Any petition aimed at retaining the status quo will have a lukewarm response.
I wouldn’t call that “Luke warm” at all. It was a massive amount of people in a relatively short window of time.
If Canada takes a page out of America’s book then there could be an actual violent insurrection and masked federal agents executing Canadians and they still won’t view it as treason.
I’d say California should hold a referendum to join Canada in response, but then I discovered California’s economy alone has 4.3 trillion GDP compared to all of Canada’s 2.6 trillion. Amazing that the average Canadian still has better access to healthcare 😅
I bet that if California had universal healthcare, the GDP would skyrocket. Healthy people are productive people. Ditto for doing free education, genuine anti-corruption, and…(goes on)
What? If the country looks after the population, the population will look after the country? That would never work! You know, except for the various countries where it provably does work…
that’s communism according to the federal gov expect ICE soon
As a German I would prefer California in the EU. I’d be ok to send EU money to Denmark, so they can buy California.
Image West Coast Weather AND hygge in one single state.
Well you might get Canada in the EU soon.
Unfortunately won’t happen but it’d be great to have a Norway-style European integration for Canada: no official EU status but practically behaving as it was
That would be great.
Oooh, update. Just found the other post https://lemmy.world/post/42340747
California is THE fourth largest economy in the world with the first being the USA as a whole.
What place is USA without California?
Still number 1
This is based on the World Bank 2024 numbers, US had $28.7 trillion, China 18.7, and California 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)And without the entire west coast (assuming without Alaska), because the three states basically move as one.
Still number 1.
California, Oregon, and Washington GDP all together is about $5.1 trillion, and US overall is 10 trillion ahead of China.
Would there be a way for Minnesota to leave the US and join Canada?
“I’m joining the war against Canada on the side of Canada.”
Plenty of Americans would.
Maybe there can be some kind of NFL style trade.
I heckin’ HATE the Alberta Prosperity Project! If we ever went “independent” we’d get Venezuela’d immediately!
Alberta wouldn’t ever be “independent.” At best they would basically get annexed by the US, same way Russia took Crimea, claiming that the presence of separatists justified their actions.
That’s the STRATEGY.
Thank you for making it explicit.
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Thank you for making me see that it is a strategy!
Yeah, they all talk a big game about independence, but it’s all hogwash.
Do not underestimate Alberta. the last election was about sovereignty and 92% of ridings went to MAGA.
92% of ridings != 92% of Albertan Voters. The UCP only got 52.6% of the vote.
ETA: Land doesn’t vote. Maps can be misleading.
Who cares, that’s not how elections work in Canada. “Only 52%” voted MAGA -proud of that?? That’s enough to win a separtist referendumb.
So l’il PP lost, and the party then makes a US citizen the leader AGAIN, and yet another AB riding elects MAGA. So yeah, they would become North Montana in a heartbeat.
I’d like to see a referendum to kick out Alberta because the country is sick of their right-wing bullshit polluting our politics after hijacking the PC brand.
Why are you mad at me? Lol. I was pointing out that it’s not as bad as the riding count makes it look. I am not your enemy guy.
You can be a douchebag and advocate to kick Alberta out, sure. I’m not that big of a defeatist though. We had an NDP gov a few years ago, and support for the UCP is getting flaky. There are a lot of progressive grassroots movements that are going through the province.
Alberta has always dreamed of being a US state.
That’s why its the target. They’ll still be debating among themselves as APCs roll in.
I feel like it’s a safe assumption more Americans in border states want to join Canada than the other way around.
I think even Cali would told it came to a vote and they’d already gained terrority adjacent to Cali thru the Pacific Northwest
That would be a true death low to the American Empire, without Cali we’d be fucked.
It would never happen, but it’d be worth Canada to hype it up just because if trump has to play defense, he just stops playing the game and starts a new one. That’s whY the whole TACO thing is, but because someone on social media made up a buzzword, no one really understands what’s happening
Shit, I live in NJ and I’d like to join Canada, minus the whole monarch head of state part. I’m willing to overlook that for obvious reasons. I like hockey guys, let me in! I suspect that I should probably keep the fact that I’m a flyers fan on the down low.
We overlook it a lot too. Like, the Governor General is appointed by the reigning monarch, and has final say on laws and such, but it’s mostly a ceremonial role. I don’t think we’ve ever had royal assent refused? I am no political scholar tho.
Monarchy has no power in Canada. At all.
Then why do all my quarters have big ears now 😭
I’m pretty sure the Gov. General can revoke royal assent on behalf of the monarch. That doesn’t happen a lot, but I think it could technically and legally still happen. But yeah, the royals almost no impact. Except for the time the royal couple people visited Slave Lake after the fire (JK).
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Trump dictates that other countries comply & submit to his bullying, ELSE US’s tarriffs will bludgeon their economies until they obey.
Now extrapolate Trump’s curve, from the 1980’s, when The Kremlin Papers indicate Putin was investing in him, until now, & keep the acceleration in that curve.
“Majority opinion” or whatever it is that you’re believing rules, now, ISN’T what rules:
He’s on-track to break the US Constitution’s significance within months or weeks, probably by the Insurrection Act.
ICE’s purpose isn’t even obvious, yet: once he “de-naturalizes” all who won’t vow allegiance to him, directly ( as he apparently already does for senior beaurocrats in multiple federal agencies ), suddenly are “illegals”, & that means 100’s of millions of “illegals”, & then the reason he insists they have TOTAL immunity will become blatent.
Deathmatch, between his authority vs the disintegrated, not-organized, “woke”, & if everybody is destroyed, so long as nobody-else won, then he wins.
Negative-Sum game ( competitive-nihilism ) combined with Zero-Sum game ( competitive-narcissism ).
IF a country WON’T prevent DarkTriad from gaining authority, THEN that country will be ruled, & probably destroyed, by DarkTriad’s ruling it.
Karma, aka “sow->reap law”.
We WOULDN’T prevent DarkTriad from ruling our countries, .: we’re about to be getting fatal consequences.
The rules are fundamentally changing beneath us, right now, & shortly the tippingpoint gets crossed, then Civil War Part2: confederate reverse-takeover & vengeance
begins all-out.
Canada, too, gets torn up, by the prejudice-enforcers in Alberta & Quebec ( & the Anglo-supremacists who bully Quebecois validity, & the rest of the factional-supremacists: ALL sides have them, including Indigenous people, Whites, India, Chinese, ALL kinds of saboteurs of Canada’s viability… it’s natural, given how little we invested in establishing common-experience, like what Katimavik used to do )
Prep, if you want to live long in the next stage of our world: it’ll be violent, once the right-wing has shed rule-of-law for rule-of-authority, completely.
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Trump dictates that other countries comply & submit to his bullying, ELSE US’s tarriffs will bludgeon their economies until they obey.
Which is why the EU is currently making trade agreements with just about everyone on the planet. The USA handing out tariffs like candy is a lot less relevant when you can pivot your trade elsewhere on fairly short order.
Such an agreement with Canada has been in the works for the last ten years. All that’s currently missing is for it to be ratified by all involved countries, which might go a bit quicker now given how the States are behaving.
Why the fuck does this administration think they can just buy countries?? Like where tf is all this coming from?
An asshole who was taught his whole life that he can buy whatever he wants and do whatever he wants without consequence was shat into office.
It’s just a continuation
and thus far, the world is still yet to prove otherwise
Because not a single world leader is stepping up to do anything about it. Although they don’t intend to buy anything, that’s the excuse to the pretense to war. “We tried to acquire them peacefully but there was no reasoning with them. Acquiring Canada was for national security”
If the Canadian government or EU actually cared, the Canadian border would look like the Korean DMZ. But instead the UK sends one troop to Greenland.
So tit-for-tat being fair play, sounds like Canada can kidnap and imprison Trump.
Thank you, I just daydreamed this for a moment. That was nice.
Me too. Wouldn’t it be funny if we kidnapped him an no one really tried to get him back?
And no-one COULD find 'em? Or “whoops we put him on a rocket aimed at the sun”? And then mysteriously all their cronies vanished?
OK the come down from this isn’t gonna be good but I’m enjoying the moment.
Only with 12 aircraft carriers though.
The far-right international coordination must be crushed.
Through far-left international coordination, perhaps??
Reactive-programming, using the same methods, ISN’T strategic-win: it’s just becoming the same underlying-nature, in different “makeup”.
Humankind needs to hold to objectivity, correct-reasoning, breaking ideological-programming, breaking false-framing, breaking machiavellianism ( from ALL sides ), etc,
& that takes fundamental, profound, strategic investment, & that isn’t happening.
So, … kiss most of humankind goodbye, this-century, perhaps even all of it.
It’ll be finished by next-century, probably, the “armageddon” we manufacture ( for our unconscious-mind to play “god” in ).
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“OH NO! SOMEBODY WANT TO KICK FASCISM IN THE FACE UNTIL IT STOPS BREATHING AND REPLACE IT WITH BASIC DIGNITY FOR ALL! STOP THEM RIGHT NOW, FOR THE BLOOD-THIRSTY REICH MUST BE FOUGHT ON THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS -THEN- MAYBE THEY’LL STOP DEPORTING AND KILLING PEOPLE!”
I’ve never understood the cuck logic of a nation which has absolutely no trouble sending troops to DESTROY entire countries in the name of oi-- “freedom” (to eat at Mc Donalds after your contry’s been carpet bombed? Wtf?), but will absolutely not confront a threat that is existential to the entire fucking planet when it’s right in front of them.
And you have guns. You have guns and he’s still alive.
You must really love your little orange pedoführer.
This is the most insufferable post I’ve read on Lemmy, congrats
Humankind needs to hold to objectivity, correct-reasoning, breaking ideological-programming, breaking false-framing, breaking machiavellianism ( from ALL sides ), etc,
This reads like 10 feel good quotes smashed together without any logic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Democracy_Union it’s not even a conspiracy, it’s in the open.
What a fucking menace. Do they honestly think they can smash and grab an entire country? They are making themselfes the common, lifelong enemy of many, many groups of people.
Do they honestly think they can smash and grab an entire country?
Like Venezuela?
They did that, but still don’t actually control the country. Mostly because they’re fucking morons.
The CIA usually holds their own competence in higher regard than reality does. All because Hollywood, and Tankies, think the CIA is magical or some shit.
They’re more like a small child with a machine gun, especially under Trump. You have to question how they got it, and how many people will get hurt, and you can be fairly sure nothing constructive will come out of it.
When I was a kid the CIA (and FBI for that matter) seemed like some magical force that was impossible to go against. Now I’m an adult I see the CIA as a massively expensive meddling influence that will do long-term massive damage to a country often for short-term gains. They truly are one of the biggest terrorist organisations on the planet.
The short term gains are also questionable. But hey, the cruelty is the point, otherwise they wouldn’t work with the moonies to fund right-wing death squads.
Which is the real scary part. See, the CIA as a governmental agency, is subject to at least some oversight. See the Church Commission, the Rockefeller Commission, and half dozen others where funding for the CIA has been cut or shifted to other agencies that sometimes actually care about the people in various countries, and not what the John Birch Soceity wants.
But the CIA has a very close relationship with non-governmental groups, often based in other countries, that do care what the John Birch Society wants.
Most of that progress has been undone by Trump, but for a time, the CIA was more focused on, well, their version of professionalism. After the Soviet Union fell, the anti-communist nonsense fell out of favor. The 90s were them scrambling to figure out what the fuck was going on, and then after 2001 it was pure anti-muslim, and they mostly ignored a lot of the areas they had been fucking around in before in order to focus on fucking up Iraq and Afghanistan.
They get blamed for every coup and popular revolution, when according to wikileaks and the much better DDoSecrets (and the more than $7 Million spent on repeated Benghazi hearings), they’re constantly getting caught with their pants down.
Like the U.S.?
And Palestine? And Ukraine?
to be fair, the us is sending their criminals and drugs, these are acts of war against the sovereign nation of hoth, and for that a police action to bring their leader to trial must be underaken.
We’ve done it before (violating sovereignty). Kind of a lot. Oh man…I hate this list. Looking at it all (AI generated) at once is a big oof. Several are joint operations.
Year(s) – Aggressor – Victim – Colloquial name / shorthand
- 1846–1848 – United States – Mexico – Mexican–American War
- 1893 / 1898 – United States – Kingdom of Hawaii – Overthrow & Annexation of Hawaii
- 1899–1902 – United States – Philippines – Philippine–American War
- 1903 – United States – Colombia / Panama – Panama Secession (Canal Coup)
- 1912–1933 – United States – Nicaragua – U.S. Occupation of Nicaragua
- 1915–1934 – United States – Haiti – U.S. Occupation of Haiti
- 1916–1924 – United States – Dominican Republic – U.S. Occupation of DR
- 1953 – United States (CIA) – Iran – Operation Ajax
- 1954 – United States (CIA) – Guatemala – Guatemalan Coup
- 1958 – United States – Lebanon – Lebanon Crisis
- 1960–1965 – United States (CIA) – Congo – Lumumba Assassination / Congo Crisis
- 1961 – United States – Cuba – Bay of Pigs Invasion
- 1964 – United States – Brazil – Brazilian Military Coup
- 1965 – United States – Dominican Republic – Operation Power Pack
- 1969–1973 – United States – Cambodia – Secret Bombing of Cambodia
- 1960s–1970s – United States – Laos – Secret War in Laos
- 1970–1973 – United States (CIA) – Chile – Chilean Coup
- 1976 – United States – Argentina – Dirty War / Junta Support
- 1979–1989 – United States – Afghanistan – Operation Cyclone
- 1980s – United States – Nicaragua – Contra War
- 1983 – United States – Grenada – Invasion of Grenada
- 1989 – United States – Panama – Operation Just Cause
- 2001–2021 – United States – Afghanistan – War in Afghanistan
- 2003 – United States – Iraq – Iraq War
- 2011 – United States / NATO – Libya – Libyan Intervention
- 2011–present – United States – Syria – Syrian Civil War (U.S. Intervention)
Where is Honduras?
West of the Caribbean, between Guatemala and Nicaragua. But that’s not important right now.
Yes, they (MAGA) do think they can do that. Their sense of entitlement and lack of empathy are boundless. The U.S. is going rogue, we are in the run up to WWIII, and I am not being hyperbolic. The rest (non-MAGA) aren’t paying attention, can’t see what they don’t want to believe, or, like me, are horrified, terrified, and making plans to get out of dodge before the shit hits the fan.
On the positive side, the U.S. is strongly teeing up financial collapse, which will likely hit towards the end of this year (maybe mid to late October?) Look at what gold is doing. It’s the biggest gold bull market of all time, already eclipsing the 1981 peak that came from the stagflation era following Nixon’s removal of the gold standard, and that’s even adjusted for inflation. The U.S. is running a ~6% budget deficit, consumer confidence is crashing, a leading indicator of a recession, ~1/3 of the U.S.’ $38 trillion in debt comes due and will have to be rolled over in a higher interest rate environment and at a time where the world is divesting of U.S. debt, and Trump gets to appoint a lackey as Chair of the Fed in May. You can 100% bet on the fact that the Fed is going to have to buy treasuries (i.e., print money) to cover the debt, which will devalue the currency boost inflation, and destroy the dollar. The Fed will also juice rates. We’ll have a boom in stocks with a blow-off top that will make the 1929 crash look quaint. There will be massive business failures, bank runs, and complete chaos, with a good chance of civil war (we’re already in a “cold” civil war, somewhat analogous to The Troubles.) Accordingly, I don’t see the conquest of Canada as likely before the situation collapses in on itself. However, if MAGA emerges from the chaos with its grip on power intact, god help us all (and I’m an atheist.)
It is too early to separate MAGA from USA. That will happen when MAGA is defeated and banned.
I draw a parallel between Nazis and Germany and MAGA and the USA. For the world, Germany was Nazi, just as for the rest of us, the USA is MAGA now. The USA is harming the world and when it stops (when MAGA is just another dark page in US history), we (the rest of the world) will stop equating MAGA and the USA.
Unfortunately, the US military is too strong and no one can bomb the USA, that will never happen. Therefore, the people of the USA must defeat MAGA. They brought it to power, they will have to defeat it and never let it arise again.
If this does not happen for some time, the USA eventualy will cease to exist as a superpower but at the cost of millions of victims.
Never happen? Look up 9/11 2001. You don’t need trillions in spending to do damage. Temu terrorism was very effective.
Given the divisions in Canada like Quebec, western alienation and Alberta being conservative central, yeah, they might be able to.
Quebec can talk all it wants but in the end I don’t believe they will chance separation right now, especially with the wolves at the back door (Maine - New Brunswick border crossing).
They are an attack vector for US desire to divide to conquer Canada. Their separatism culture is a vulnerability for the nation, as is its multicultural mosaic that is only as strong as the connection between groups and those are not really that strong.
https://thewalrus.ca/few-quebecers-support-sovereignty-and-even-fewer-want-a-referendum/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/most-quebecers-againt-holding-sovereignty-referendum-poll/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/most-quebecers-againt-holding-sovereignty-referendum-poll/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/article/poll-most-quebecers-oppose-independence/
Were you born last week?
It’s sometimes difficult for us to be patient and kind with others, I know the feeling.
Reflecting on what we said to a person, and how it might have been received, can help us gain a better understanding of how to interact with them to get the outcomes we want, whilst remaining positive, empathetic, and keeping toxic behaviour at bay.
Username checks out, lol. Thanks for the reminder.
