Not just uncaught murderers, there are a lot of people who have killed without legally being considered murderers.
People who killed people in accidents such as driving accidents or hunting accidents
People who killed in self defense
Soldiers who killed enemy soldiers
Executioners
Police officers who have killed on duty
Doctors and nurses who have made mistakes that accidentally killed patients
As far as i know, i have met only one person like this.
A guy i knew in “highschool” (kinda equilevant) killed his friend a few years later while both were drunk and had just come out of sauna. He thought that his girlfriend had cheated on him with the other guy and woops, axe to the back.
I know I have. Back in 2010 or thereabouts, this guy at work who I trained to run the shift opposite of me is now in prison for multiple murders.
Anyone from Poland remember the case in the news about a guy murdering people so he could take over their property? Yeah, that one…
EDIT: Just for the record, I’ve known many poles over the years, and I’ve liked most of you. Except that guy. He was fucking weird. Don’t remember his exact name, but he went by Winnie/Vinny, or something like that.
Yeah, I think I’ve met 3 murderers, two before they murdered, one after the fact.
One was mentally unstable and sad, then made fun of, second I met was kind and normal, third was dumb bulky drug dealer that was also kind.
None of them were evil or psychopaths or any of those typical traits and it made me think that to become a murdered you have to be both unlucky and triggered in a meaningful way.
I once gave a friend of a friend a condescending chewing-out after they did something hurtful.
Some time later our mutual friend informed me that they had died, but declined to tell me the cause of death.
Much later I discovered it was self-caused.
… Were my words too much? We spend our lives trying to be more effective communicators. What if we’re too effective when it matters most?
My ex-brother-in-law killed a family of four while DUI. The cops really screwed up the investigation so he was able to get the charges down to a minor moving violation. He never saw the inside of a jail.
When I was in high school a friend of a friend that I knew and had hung out with at a couple of times was a serial killer/rapist. He was one of the last people executed by that state.
Edit: My grandfather killed some Nazis in WW2. Several former coworkers killed people in the line of duty as soldiers. And, I worked as a records clerk at a nursing home, so I knew several doctors and nurses that had taken people off life support.
If you want to test this, start up conversations with the combat vets around you. You might not like the answers. That’s the vast majority of killers I’ve known (that I’ve known).
I killed someone. It’s a called a dead name for a reason.
I work in healthcare, I’ve removed… so many people from life support. I often wonder if that’s, not the same, but…
I’ve met many people that have killed people. I didn’t think that was all that unusual. I know for sure two people I’ve met had killed people and there’s a whole bunch more that range from maybe to probably.
I’ve met many people that have killed people. I didn’t think that was all that unusual.
Same here. While no one in my family has ever owned a gun, I can think of at least 3 people I’ve met who have killed someone. One was by a nice woman and was clearly in self-defense.
Went to high school with one.
I went to high school with at least six. I say “at least” because those are just the four I know about. Two killed people with their car, three went into the military right after graduating and did combat tours. Talking with them afterwards, it was clear they had 100% seen combat and killed people. And the last just straight up shanked a dude at a local fast food place during a drug deal.
I have. I used to drink with someone who later killed someone while drinking.
Carl can fuck right off.
I wonder how many people who have themselves unknowingly caused a death, though some thoughtless or innocuous action. E.g. a discarded banana peel causes another person to later slip and fall with a fatal result.
the number of people who fall into this category through their use of stock LED headlights is non-zero
There’s an early Robot Chicken bit where he dies and asks silly questions to a book that can give him an answer like how many times did I listen to this song, or how much of a wall could my poop make. This question sounds like an interesting one to ask that book though. Actually I’d probably prefer not to know the chaotic randomness that is our lives but guess the lives part would be redundant at that point anyways.
I frequently have this thought, but take it one step further. Like, what if something I did, intentionally or not, greatly angers or pisses off someone that they get riled up, and it leads to them having a heart attack or lashing out in a way that causes them mortal harm?
Am I wholly responsible? No. But am I somewhat indirectly involved in their demise? Debatable. Yes, it gets very convoluted quickly, but it’s something that pops up in my head whenever I’ve got some idle time.
You are not responsible. Even if you argued with someone, you couldn’t have known what the outcome would be. Heart attack or they spent a bunch of time pissed and got in a fistfight later that resulted in someone’s death. You cannot control what they choose to do as long as your actions weren’t intentionally leading the other person to make those choices.
If you’re old enough you’ve definitely met someone who has done at least one murder. The question is intent as you’ve said: did you meet the drunk driver or the serial killer with 50 bodies in the basement who hasn’t been caught.
Also this applies to rape and that is far more common because it is simply less reported. One of your buddies might be a person that has straight up forced a person to have sex, maybe violently
Let’s not forget the more obvious, most veterans or military have killed people but. We usually don’t count them because they were killing “bad people” that just happened to be from a different country.
Yeah, no. Most members of most militaries haven’t directly killed anyone, even during wartime.
op straight up said that one bud but yes imperialism has a lot of murderers walking among us. Some of your zionist friends may have committed war crimes during their time in israel only to come back to home to 0 consequences and to be a fucking sociopath that, I dunno, goes on tinder dates without dropping the bomb that they sniped children that posed 0 threat because they’re fucking inhuman monsters
Most veterans and military have not killed anyone.
If you’re an engineer you’ve almost certainly contributed meaningfully to the death of someone.
I would think not if you’re a good engineer.
Even the code of Hammurabi had the death penalty for engineers that caused the death of another through poor design.
Well something tells me Hammurabi wasn’t aware of drone bombs, so forgive me if I skip over that asshole’s opinion on things.
There’s a lot of industries out there, most of them are bad. Whether it’s oil&gas, aerospace, automotive, even basic scientific research…pretty much always ends up doing harm. Pure software engineering isn’t any better off – I mean every engineer who worked at Facebook in the 2010s has their hands bloodied with a genocide they facilitated. Or people who work on ring, or other doorbells, being used by ICE to hunt, torture, and in some cases kill, immigrants. A DOORBELL.
Humans do terrible things, engineers enable humans. You can easily claim there was no way to predict the path from doorbells to murder, but…wait, no, the EFF predicted this from the moment go. So you have engineers warned their work would do harm, they keep working, their work does harm. That’s meaningful contribution from my pov.
