“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
We must not repeat this same mistake again. Remember to always vote in every election and consider volunteering to knock on doors. It can make a difference. There are elections that are decided with just a small number of votes.
“It wasn’t because Biden voters shifted to Trump—but because so many of them stayed home.”
I’m sorry but that is bullshit. That’s like saying that the protestor died because the gun released a bullet, completely forgetting that the police aimed at them in the first place.
Voters stayed home because they felt uninspired by whatever democratic candidates tried to represent. The thing is, i’m in europe and i do follow the news, but i barely ever heard any specific plans from Kamala. i never got the “oh wow that’s a good idea” thought, because there was poor communication, no exposure, etc. It’s all a bubble. If you’re inside it, it seems like there’s a lot of communication. But that communication doesn’t leave the bubble because it doesn’t speak the other’s language. It refuses to communicate with people who are not already on the same page. That’s why a lot of commenters are gonna reply to my comment, saying “no, actually, Kamala’s messaging was great”. Because they experienced it like that, because they actively seeked out the communication, and found it. But to the typical voter, who’s not specially politically involved, and not specifically seeking out the communication, they don’t get exposed to it.
On top of that what i’m strongly considering is that our political stances need to recognize that people really just want to live, both now and in the future. They want to have the economical perspective that they can buy nice stuff, and that the world is somehow gonna develop into a better tomorrow. A political party is gonna win exactly if it can provide these two to the people. That’s what we need.
We’ve known since the day after election day something like 33 million fewer people voted, though.
Early voters saved the Canadian election if only because they got in before FacistBook went completely off the rails with fake news. So get in early.
Yes, please no shit candidates…ni one over 60 please. There is literally no reason to pick anyone in their 70’s. Sure the rules allow this, but please don’t. Also no repeats, no Clintons, bushes, trumps, Obamas, etc. There are plenty of other people with other last names. Bernie and AOC? Yeah I can get behind that. AOC would make a great president and Bernie can probably survive a presidency.
THEN STOP FUCKING RUNNING CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS WITHOUT MEANINGFUL PRIMARIES
Not a meaningful reason to let a facist win.
A FALSE CHOICE FALLACY IS A FUCKING FALLACY
A quick reminder that most everyone wasn’t voting for the “cOnSeRvAtiVe dEmOcRaT”. We were voting against a fascist wannabe king.
That you people can’t understand that there is a difference is clearly illustrated in the article.
We can either burn showly. Or burn quick and get the fire over with.
So, you admins it was purposeful??
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These comments clearly show that people are completely fine to repeat the same mistakes that opened the door for a fascist to take up the throne.
Just report them as Russian bots cuz that’s what they are. They got away with this on Reddit. Let’s not let this stand on lemmy.
Naaah. They’re coddled here. Political correctness has gotten mods/admins so scared of making a mistake that they even protect a person using the well-known “attack helicopter” bullshit to antagonize the trans community.
I’ve been banned for calling this person out here.
Was also banned from a bunch of communities I don’t even post in for “bad jacketing” because I called out a well known troll that has tons of sock puppets.
Mods/admins are too chickenshit to make any big splashes here. Even when given proof.
It’s better than before but not everyone gets it yet. When you see a comment like that the solution is to acknowledge or understand their concerns and then explain why it’s still important to vote. The most common misunderstanding I see is that some people claim that both sides are the same because of one particular issue that is only a small part of what a candidate’s policies are. We can do a let’s look approach by asking them if they are the same on other issues and seeing if they are truly the same on the issue they are concerned about.
Or might be better to just educate people who are willing to learn instead of arguing with those who won’t.
Also with that said on more reflection I do realize that some of these issues are past grievances that people bring up and hopefully next time they will vote. For example I do think not having a primary did cause some people to stay home. We must not repeat that same mistake, the next primary must be done fairly.
I’d normally agree, but I’d say we’re way past that now.
What happens is we try and reason with these people when they clearly show no desire to see anything reasonably. They then scream at everyone and call them some some shit like “bLuEMaGa” and then have the nerve to whine when people don’t treat them with the respect they demand.
They don’t want to respect others, they just want to be respected. They don’t want to help others, they want others to help them. Their way or the highway. And it’s been this way from the beginning.
It’s entitlement.
I was here last election. I was among those trying to explain that no one was asking anyone to stand in an obedient line and ritualistically fall on their swords if the dems so much as asked-
We were simply asking for people to consider voting against fascism.
We were insulted, berated, disrespected and yelled at as if it was our fault Trump was even a candidate. Then they tried to prop up unknown and untested candidates that promised shit that was virtually impossible to achieve, like…. Abolishing prisons.
Not a single one of their spoiler candidates had a feasible plan to enact ANY of the policy they promised. And this isn’t from me, this is from pretty much anyone with a brain and authority on the subject.
So yeah… I’m done trying to reason with the unreasonable. They’re not going to budge on their rhetoric and nothing will change their minds. And I’m not the ass-kissing type.
The left is irreparably and permanently divided and these kids wouldn’t have it any other way.
Now, let’s see how quickly they all rush to prove my point.
If you want me to vote, then you need to stop nominating corporate puppets.
I’ve showed up at every primary, for example.
I guarantee you that for whatever district or race if you compare the Democrat and the Republican running in that race you’ll find that the Democrat is less corporate and cares more about the people than the Republican in that race does. Voting for the Democrat even the one who wasn’t your first choice in the primary brings you closer to where you want to be and helps shift the Overton window. Primaries typically happen every election cycle and eventually by electing enough Democrats flipping every seat you can will either result in the Democrat you believe is too corporate to shift their beliefs or will result in their ouster with someone who is less corporate.
The primaries are basically over by the time they reach my state.
I wouldn’t have thought that voting against fascism would have been something arms needed to be twisted over. But what do I know?
Everyone loves a good grassroots movement to outrage one another over!
Maybe have a fucking primary and people won’t stay home.
Or, you know, vote, because fucking LUCIFER is on the ballot.
I can appreciate not wanting Lucifer to win but the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils, its not enough. The other guy has to make them want to get off their ass. Obama made people want to get out and vote. Trump did too, as much as I don’t like to admit it.
the average person doesn’t get motivated by lesser of the two evils
A huge number of choices in life are just that. So suck it up, Buttercup.
Your attitude isn’t very inspirational.
A Trump presidency isn’t either.
Eh, I’ll just sleep through it.
Life isn’t inspirational either.
In that case, I’ll find something else that’s inspirational. A relaxing walk by the lake, perhaps?
This person isn’t saying it’s not enough for them personally, they’re saying it’s clearly, obviously, per all evidence, not enough for MANY people - objectively enough to turn an election. So if you want better leaders you must motivate voters by giving them something to vote for. Lesser of two fascists pisses me off but I’ll hold my nose and vote. However, I also recognize this is a piss poor strategy since so many will not.
Why can’t you tell the people nominating corporate puppets to suck it up and fall in line?
Why does it always have to be the working class that suffers so rich people can be richer?
Why can’t you people be smarter?
That is literally what made me vote. But they all suck for sure, other than a few.
If the voting public could be convinced of that Republicans would cease to be a viable party due to overwhelming voter turnout. But, well, Gestures to the last potus election
Problem is they know millions of votes are happening, and so how much does their vote really matter? Taking the time out of their life to stand in a long line to cast a single vote among millions… Doesn’t seem like it matters and other people will take care of it for them.
When they have something to bite for, they want to be a part of something. If it’s just about making sure the worst stays out, it’s a poorly motivated chore.
And that just means we Americans get what we deserve.
It’s a civic duty. The only people to blame are ourselves.
I don’t think that puts enough blame on the assholes with money who are taking advantage of the system and intentionally tipping the scales
And one way they tip the scales is by pusing the message that, if the Democratic Partty candidate is less than perfect, don’t vote. And meanwhile, corrupt, bloodthirsty criminals on the R side get a free pass. And the purists are too stupid to see that.
And I say this in full awareness of the DNC’s role in gutting the effectiveness of the Democratic Party as an agent of change.
Vote the lesser evil if that’s all there is. But also organize and drive corporate shills out of the party leadership.
if the Democratic Partty candidate is less than perfect, don’t vote.
Uhh… no. This couldn’t be farther from the truth and you know it.
We don’t need ‘perfection’ we just need ‘good.’
I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to realize this, but the lesser evil isn’t good.
I’m glad trump won because otherwise people like you wouldn’t be upset. If you don’t learn from this election, then you’ll get the same results in the next one.
I gotta imagine a fair amount of opposition to stuff like early voting or vote by mail is rooted in the idea that the easier we make it the more likely folks will vote for the lesser evil.
You’re part of the problem.
And your rigid and unrealistic “principles” put Trump in office
Not really. It was the people selling out the working class.
Trump and Republicans sell out the working class way more than even the most boring DINO centrist/moderate Democrats.
Vote who is closest to your views, you’ll get closer to where you want to be.
Way to Win pointed to three main problems that cost Democrats last year: Voters were upset not just about rising prices but about longer-term economic trends, and wanted change; Republicans and the far right have a built-in media advantage, thanks to years of investments, which made it harder for Democrats to break through; and movements on the left around issues like Gaza, racial and economic justice, and immigration weren’t aligned with the party.
Yea… Close…Not quite though. Basically, YOU HAVE TON FUCKING ACT YOU DIP SHITS! Do real things people can fucking believe in.
As it stand I still want both sides out of all the offices. When you actually represent me and the voters… Not some corporate lobby group, PAC, or persons with more money than sense but “We The People”, then I might vote for you.
Mamdani is a good start… If he follows through.
And WHY DID PEOPLE STAY HOME?
I assure you that it is the party’s job to inspire people to vote and not the people’s job to inspire the party.
And it’s the people’s responsibility to vote.
Both failed. I definitely blame the losers who didn’t show up as much as anyone else, though.
Voting should be mandatory. I read about how other countries handle their elections and I notice that people in Australia and Brazil have far great satisfaction with their system. Part of it is they have laws that make voting easy and secure. Since voting is mandatory they receiving time off to vote.
Another advantage of making voting compulsory is it helps reduce conspiracy theories about people voting twice. Everyone knows that everyone gets one vote and they must use it.
Also jury duty which is also compulsory is much more of a burden than voting so if they can force you to do jury duty we can have everyone vote.
UBI paid out after you turn in your ballot.
You blame the poorest working class people and not the party that spent a billion on their campaign and still couldn’t convince anyone they were worth voting for?
I blame both.
But yes, I blame the losers who couldn’t be bothered to take the least amount of responsibility too.
I blame protest voters even more.
Jesus. Blame the fucking genocidaires and the billionaire kid fuckers instead
I always show up to vote third party.
Well keep in mind those “losers” might have a job that conflicts with their polling hours and have restrictive absentee ballots. It’s much easier for, say, retirees to vote than working poor.
It is literally the people’s job to keep an insane lunatic from running the country. Because we didn’t the loss of USAID is going to net 5 figure deaths including many kids. Tell the thousands of kids you whacked sorry.
The country has been run by insane lunatics who kill hundreds of thousands for decades. Read your history. Both parties are part of the death cult that is necrocapitalism and they oversee the death machine. Biden had toddlers in solitary confinement at the border. Obama killed so many people in drone strikes. Reagan oversaw arms smuggling and death squad deployments. Bush obviously did Iraq. Obama and Hilary did Libya. Biden oversaw Gaza going off.
Voters didn’t end USAID. Voters stayed home partly because they realized that no matter who they voted for the government was going to kill hundreds of thousands of people in their name anyway. That kind of government doesn’t deserve a popular mandate.
Heaven forbid you tell people they have a civic duty no matter who is on the ballot.
Partially because of relentless messaging on social media claiming that it was the only moral thing to do.
So someone outperformed the party on messaging? You mean the party spent its money incorrectly? You mean spending almost a billion dollars failed because of some “relentless messaging”?
Sounds like the party failed, again.
Eh, really there should be a sort of virtuous cycle happening in that regard. But for sure it is the fault of the party here for choosing big money over its constituents
The party IS big money. The government IS big money. They didn’t chose. It’s structural. They literally cannot choose.
A party that is of the masses, by the masses, and for the masses is called a communist party.
Because Republicans intentionally tanked the vote by mail process that helped Biden win in 2020.
Man, such an interesting thing to do under a Democratic president who knew exactly what was going on and who was in office when the SCOTUS ruled that anything the president did while in office was legal. If only someone could have stopped those damn Republicans!
The President has zero control over local voting regulations.
Look at the POTUS today having “zero control” over local things and still actual effects on those local things, from education to AI regulations. Man, sure would love a POTUS that understood the kind of power they have even if it’s not official and use it to slow down the march to fascism.
But I guess voters should get out and vote for Democrats who openly state that they are totally powerless to stop fascism because of the rules.
Trump has TRIED to restrict voting, but like I say, the President doesn’t have that power.
He says he’s trying again, LOL.
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/new-trump-anti-voting-order-coming-white-house-confirms/
Yes, exactly. Trump is trying. The Democrats instead say “oh no!! The Republicans are doing stuff! Voters, only you can save us!”
Meanwhile the Ds collaborate with the Rs to temporarily suspend the filibuster so they can pass a spending bill. Or they concede all leverage on empty promises that the Rs have been breaking for 30 years. Or they send their hopes and prayers and raise a fist on the steps of Congress but do abso-fucking-lutely nothing that materially changes the trajectory of the fascist wave.
But yes, blame the voters who can’t even afford health insurance in 2026 or who have been food insecure for years or who can’t buy homes or who have to pay 50% of their income in rent.
It’s the VOTERS who are to blame, of course.
By setting mailboxes on fire?
That was one tactic, I’m talking about the legal restrictions.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/ballot-box-fires
vs:
Jesus fucking Christ, I swear.
I know, right? If only we got mad at the people voting for the lesser-evil instead of getting mad at those who don’t fall in line.
But they clearly would rather have Trump than a progressive in office so that’s what we get.
I don’t think democrats know what the meaning of insanity is.
If the next Dem presidential candidate would refrain from getting buddy buddy with Republicans it would be a lot easier to put in the effort to overcome voter suppression.
This isn’t “voter suppression” in this case. They suppressed themselves.
Keep wasting your energy. Corporate dems love people like you.
Well, I think there’s definitely good reason to reach out to voters of all stripes. Including Republicans. But voters are different than politicians. By reaching out and inviting the politicians who enable the damage in amongst them. They just make themselves complicit.
Democrats would do much better if they reached out to their own voters at all. Not just dismiss them and pal around with other out of touch politicians.
We kinda knew that anyways. Those people thought “ahhh, there couldn’t possibly be that enough people to vote Trump again” and didn’t vote until the fact broke out to them on election day.
And it’s going to be an even harder pitch for Democrats if they keep pussy-footing the way that they have lately.
Kamala’s not Good Enough
So you get Trump
"With every mistake We must surely Be learning "
-George HarrisonHave the day you voted for.
Trump won because he ran unopposed.
Trump had a primary that he led in consistently. Kamala ran a weak campaign, but in the end, Kamala’s name was on the ballot. Also, neither Kamala nor Trump could impact policy without the permission of Congress, which is occupied primarily by Republicans who each ran for that seat.
Also, neither Kamala nor Trump could impact policy without the permission of Congress
I submit to you: the entirety of 2025.
Republicans gave Trump his “Big Beautiful Bill” which included his ICE budget. Republicans could impeach Donald Trump at any point. A minority of Republicans could join Democrats in the House and Senate, and remove this entire administration from office, permanently. Republicans are following Trump because their Speaker of the House and Head of Senate say to. Speaker Mike Johnson and Head of Senate John Thune are supporting Trump because former speaker Kevin McCarthy was miserably removed by MAGA Republicans in part because he did not support Donald Trump’s Big Lie
It sucks to thnk about, but I prefer truth over ignorance. Trump is the symptom, not the problem. If Vance, Trump, Miller, etc. were all shot dead, it would help by striking some fear into our reps, but it wouldn’t solve the problem.
It’s because America still doesn’t accept a woman can be president. Full stop.
Idiot Senile Rich Guy: 2
Highly Qualified Women: 0
Idiot Senile Rich Guy: 0
A Different Senile Rich Guy: 1
Well then you’re saying it’s mostly democratic women’s’ misogyny, because Kamala retained more male Biden voters than female
Yup. It’s both. Women can be misogynistic too. I see it all the time.
Actively and materially supporting genocide with our tax money didn’t help.
Consistent gaslighting on every platform point by candidates and major party figures over the last … Your while life of you’re a millennial or younger.
Like, obviously the Republicans are worse but they lie about how far they’ll take their policy, NOT about the direct they’ll run with it.
Idk about that. Republicans lie about that too. Trump consistently said he wanted involved with Project 2025 and that he would release the Epstein Files.
Back to election misogyny-
It was the 2nd largest voter turnout in the history of US elections. Trump won more votes than he did in 2020.
Trump won men by a higher percentage in 2016 and 2024 than against Biden in 2020
Biden won more women in 2020 than Clinton in 2016 and Harris in 2024.
You’re being reductive. If Biden would have stepped back earlier, if Kamala wouldn’t have coddled Israel, if the dems didn’t cozy up to the Cheneys, if the party could have admitted where mistakes were made and promised to correct them, then dem voters would have felt like there’s a chance for their interests to be represented, then the election would have been a landslide.
I’m not saying America isn’t misogynistic, but the election loss isn’t solely due to that.
I agree with all the criticisms of the Dens, but none of that is worse than Trump. This would be different if we were talking about any other candidate, but we’re talking about a known rapist and scam artist who got actively let people die by a subpar reaction to a pandemic. Over 400,000 people died while Trump was in office during the pandemic.
After all that, they still voted for him over a woman.
