• BannedVoice@lemmy.zip
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    4 hours ago

    Well, how about we just try it first instead of resorting to instant armed combat against our own government or a civil war?

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      Not sure if you have noticed, but your government has already started the armed combat against the people

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        Yes but my 12 gauge shotgun and my .22 riffle and my .45 handgun seem to be a tad lopsided against their tanks and drones and guided missiles so sorry if I’m not ready to pounce just yet.

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            The .45 has me disgost. That’s specifically the cartridge that people buy when they want to say a 9mm is too weak for whatever combat scenario they have in mind. Some guy near me has a bumper sticker that says “.45 ACP: it’s like 9mm for men”. You can’t be both a .45 ACP chud and a smol bean.

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              The whole comment reads like someone whose Facebook picture is them in the driver seat of their truck wearing Oakley sunglasses and a baseball hat with an eagle on it.

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              I’m a .45 ACP chud but I also recognize that it’s not gonna do much against any kind of armored target. There are dozens of us

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          Totally valid. You’re right. Under those conditions, voting will definitely work. But only if you shame people on the Internet to vote the correct way.

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          You can’t complain about the quality of your guns in the US. If I pissed in a circle I’d hit six gun stores. $300 and an hour later, I’d have a better weapon than any of the insurgent groups that beat the US military.

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      you’re right. one more election and we fix climate change, ranpant exploitation and discrimination! We just have to vote properly.

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      Sure thing, would another hundred years suffice or would that still be too early to tell?

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      Liberals have tried and failed to meaningfully improve their situations via voting for centuries. Without analyzing which class is in control of the state, voting will always be extremely weak.

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      We’ve been trying for a long time? How long should we wait? Do they need to officially declare fascism?

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      Because they’re already drawing weapons and we’ve been “trying” so hard we elected him twice. You think this will change? You think the Dems will wave a wand and institute voting reform and healthcare or increase wages or improve the living conditions?

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        Actually my hope is that when this is over people in the MAGA movement will finally wake up and see how much of their own lives have been destroyed by what this ass clown did to them and we as a country can agree to NEVER allow it to happen again and that we can finally go back to letting the adults govern the country instead of a man who would have been a used car salesman had his daddy not given him everything he has.

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          after germany lost in ww2 only 300 people stood in front of nuremberg.

          every fascist that survived just used their position of power and recognition and continued staying in politics. they didn’t change their minds, only the approach.

          fascism wasn’t suddenly eradicated. the generations they put into this world were taught and raised by these fascists in hiding.

          MAGA fucks won’t change their minds. They’ll just change the approach.

          and honestly: as a non-american it doesn’t matter if trump or a dem are in power. they’ll continue murdering people in their interest.

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            As an American who’s lived in various countries and can’t stand his home country, I agree with you 100%.

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          Trump isn’t the problem, he’s a symptom of the problem. The US Empire has never served the working classes, no president has.

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      Well, how about we just try it first

      Nobody in the United States has ever tried to vote against a fascist dictator?

      instant armed combat

      Who do you think is actually organized an armed uprising against Trump? How do you think they’re doing it “instantly”?

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        Untrue I tried three times to vote against a fascist dictator but over half of my fellow Americans are morons who overrode my vote two out of the three times. But the key here is that voting worked one of those times and no matter how much kicking and screaming and bitching and moaning may have happened his butt was kicked off the WH lawn on Inauguration Day so clearly it does work.

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          You mean Biden who believes we would have to create Israel if it didn’t exist, who continued the war drive, who delivered weapons and training to genocidaires, who put infants in solitary confinement at the border, who was instrumental in ensuring that the prisons were full of black people who could be used as slave labor, who pardoned the judge who took bribes in exchange for sentencing 8 year old to juvenile detention for jaywalking, who failed to do anything meaningful to stop Trump, who failed to do anything meaningful to limit the power of the executive so it couldn’t be abused, who failed to do anything to stop fascism at all?

          Those 4 years where voting a different guy in didn’t do literally anything to stop fascism in the least?

          Sure. Do it again. I am sure continuing to not stop fascism is exactly how we stop fascism

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          And then we got another genocidal imperialist, worker protections continued to erode, and imperialism persisted.

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          I think the leftist point being made isn’t that any particular election has no effect. Of course elections have effects. At the very least they provide legitimacy. I think the point is that even though it worked to unseat Trump in 2020, the election did not halt the long term processes leading us towards fascism. It slowed them down a bit but didn’t reverse trend. Reason being that the owner class kept expanding their wealth and therefore control over the entire system. I think leftist memes about elections are often poorly communicated or understood, which isn’t ideal, but then it’s …memes.