As a Hungarian, No thanks, we don’t want russian soldiers again in our country. Can’t we agree on socialism without involving Russia?
I suspect for some folks Stalin is bad because anyone else would have let the USSR capitulate to the wehrmacht invasion.
You joke but there is legit someone calling themselves anarchist who said that the 27 million soviets the nazis killed deserved it because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact
They’re a power mod on their instance too
stops at berlin
“I think they learned their lesson…”
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I made this in 2019
Thank you for your service
Thank you for your service comrade
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Inb4 “tWo ThInGs CaN bE bad At OnCe” from someone comparing something real the empire is doing with a story that same empire told them about someone else.
Ah so everything was chill in the USSR then? Stalin didn’t have any secret police or totalitarian access to power?
No, he was a competent leader. Why on earth wouldn’t he have counterintelligence operations against the CIA and others? Do you remember what they did to their own citizens during the war “just in case we need to do it to the Soviets and not just black people 😉”. Are you advocating defenselessness against the torture regime of the USA?
Who said that
Funny that this is the exact same “logic” the libs use to try to defend running a pro-zionist, pro-corporate, pro-billionaire slimeball in the last US presidential election - “But Trump was worse!”
Stalin wasn’t a saint, but he is overly demonized as compared to his peers. There has been a century of anticommunist mud-slinging at him, and now that the soviet archives are somewhat open, we can begin to actually judge him properly. Unlike Trump, Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state, and a good portion of soviet success in their earlier years can be attributed to policies he pushed for.
Demystifying Stalin
I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.
- J. V. Stalin
- Nia Frome’s “Tankies”
[8 min]
- W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin
[6 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat
[30 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History
[16 min]
[42 min]
[38 min]
[9 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend
[5 hr 51 min]
- Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin
[5 hr 25 min]
- Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World
Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism
I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.
- Che Guevara
Stalin was the leader of the world’s first socialist state
Socialist state is a contradiction in terms.
Stalin was CEO of USSR Incorporated.
Socialism can have a state, a contradiction in terms would be a communist state or an anarchist state. Socialism is simply a mode of production by which public, collectivized production is the principle aspect of the economy. The USSR was not a business, nor were the “profits” distributed to public officials, that just wasn’t how the soviet economy functioned.
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml6·20 hours agoNo it isn’t. Socialism has a state, only communism doesn’t. No matter how you define state.
i wonder how your instance turned into a nazi bar
It didn’t. And I’m an anarchist.
If you’re going to rely on ad hominems, you should at least try to make them somewhat accurate and relevant.
You have the fucking nerve to say that after calling the USSR a corporation. You’re not even a radlib; you’re a Christopher Hitchens neocon.
And yes your instance is a nazi bar. You just recently had to be shamed into banning one of your mods ADVOCATING for the holocaust.
Um… no. I’m an anarchist.
And you sound like a helicopter parent who’s balanced on that fine line between hysterical tears and explosive rage because somebody at the playground said something mean about their darling USSR.
Yeah well you’re also this bad thing with a tediously long unfunny description
It’s not just a matter of the US being worse, this undermines the credibility of every single accusation regarding human rights that the US makes about any other country
Frankly not a tankie or a capitalist, but I’m pretty sure Stalin was shitty for other reasons. Admirable reasons at time as in the case of being a cold-mother fucker enough to gank his own son for the revolution. But reasons, surely.
Stalin wasn’t a perfect saint nor a horrendous monster. Stalin was a real socialist, with personal failings and mistakes, but also real victories and advancements as the leader of the first socialist state in its most turbulent era.
Demystifying Stalin
I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.
- J. V. Stalin
- Nia Frome’s “Tankies”
[8 min]
- W. E. B Dubois’ On Stalin
[6 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Primitive Thinking and Stalin as Scapegoat
[30 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin and Stalinism in History
[16 min]
[42 min]
[38 min]
[9 min]
- Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend
[5 hr 51 min]
- Ludo Martens’ Another View of Stalin
[5 hr 25 min]
- Anna Louise Strong’s This Soviet World
Stalin's Major Theoretical Contributions to Marxism
I have come to communism because of daddy Stalin and nobody must come and tell me that I mustn’t read Stalin. I read him when it was very bad to read him. That was another time. And because I’m not very bright, and a hard-headed person, I keep on reading him. Especially in this new period, now that it is worse to read him. Then, as well as now, I still find a Seri of things that are very good.
- Che Guevara
Agreed, and to clarify, I’m pretty much a socialist, just think co-operatives oughta be allowed to hold similar assets to a state, (within the laws of a state in question) ideally subsidiary to the state’s own collectivized system. The cold bit about Stalin was crediting the fellow with having more idea logical death than the simple “funny gulag man” many paint him as.
Che, please don’t call him that.
Yea it’s a bit iffy, lol.
I swear it don’t sound as bad in Spanish lmao, “papi” can even be something you call a friend
Oh, gotcha! Makes sense, my spanish is super rusty and I didn’t think about the different context it would have in spanish.
ITT: trash takes
ITT: Nazi Libs from the ShitJustFash instance
I mean this doesn’t prove Stalin not bad.
Are these stats including dead people or just prisoners? I feel like Stalin may have been fielding a murder-forward build.
Source: The black book of gommunism
Checkmate
“USA bad so Soviets good” is also propaganda.
Propaganda just means pushing a particular viewpoint, said viewpoint can be correct. Secondly, the point isn’t that the soviets were good because the US is bad, but that the soviets are judged unfairly and harshly compared to their peers, a product of the Red Scare.
USA bad, tankies gonna tank. Idk what their point even is, just edgy internet bullshit.
Just because it’s propaganda doesn’t mean it’s not true
you just blew somebody’s mind right there
The last time I said that and posted a dictionary entry definition, the user without an original thought claimed that’s not the way the average person uses the word and I’m wrong. 🤷♀️
Should have told the to pop a gander at deez nuts
Holodomor?
Joseph Gobbles lives on
Nobody denies that there was a famine in the 1930s, what leftists deny is the idea that it was intentional. The myth that the 1930s famine was intentional is largely disregarded by modern soviet historians.
A famine that happened in an area that had periodic famines for the entirety of recorded history until the communists took over, no more famines since then lol, get new material loser
Couldn’t find any info on periodic famines at that area. Do you mind sharing any clue, like name, specific area, years? Genuinely interested.
On communist part. Ukraine SSR was established in 22, Holodomor started in 32. Famine in Tatarstan started in 21, year after Tatar ASSR established. So something not adding up. Even if one ignores those. There were no famines after USSR collapse in both areas. Feel free to point one if I’m missing something.
If you couldn’t find any info it’s because you’re not trying, and lol @ “plz give me sources” followed immediately by specific claims with no sources
IDK how you know did I try or not. Sorry I didn’t spent whole day searching of info you claim to be true when it took me 5 mins to debunk your other claims. If you have some rare knowledge or you are some sort of history expert you are doing poor job spreading what you think is truth.
You need a source for what dates of establishment of Ukraine SSR or ASSR? Or Tatarstan femine, that is first hit in search - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921–1922_famine_in_Tatarstan. You are so protective of communists so I assumed you knew some basic dates on topic. If you don’t, that’s also first hit in search. Let me know if you need help with that.
Also, adding “lol” doesn’t make it stronger argument, lol.
∞🏳️⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]@lemmy.ml1·50 minutes agoStep 1: Search “Famines in Russia”
Step 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union