Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Electoral Reform will be passed this time… right?
Of course it will … hahahahaha
Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau’s latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
Great result for today’s Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
Look, we’ve had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It’s amazing they won anything at all this time.
Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.
What do you mean “narrowly”? It’s a clean victory and the trumpist conservative leader lost his own riding.
Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.
Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.
Not quite. There’s still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn’t happen (it’s quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don’t trust a banker to not sell out the working class.
This feels like a short-term win but a long-term loss. Carney is a centrist, a former banker that’s in to a lot of conservative ideas. He feels like Biden 2.0, the conservatives only losing because of Trump’s unhinged rantings. MAGA-ism has gained a huge foothold in Canada, and turning to a do nothing centrist is only going to do so much.
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
Honestley, I was going to vote conservative, even after Trump. And then Pollievre went into third gear with Woke Derangement Syndrome, the guy was having unhinged rants. Couldn’t get a paragraph out without mentioning woke. Ask him to define it, and he’d either PP.EXE stop responding, or he’d fly off the handle with pre-programmed slogans.
Stupid people on both sides of the race. But that was what turned me.
I’m curious, what attracted you to the Conservatives prior to the Maple-MAGA movement?
Not the original commentor, but the people I’ve discussed this with usually say one of 4 things. These aren’t necessarily my views, just what I’ve heard from others:
- The government is too easy on crime and we grant people bail who are dangerous to release.
- Gun control is a waste of time and money and isn’t tackling the real issue as nearly all gun crime isn’t committed by legal gun owners.
- More housing needs to be made (note that both major parties seem to agree on this).
- More infrastructure needs to be built to capitalize on our oil and natural resources exports.
Conservatives made significant inroads, lots of people in Ontario and Atlantic Canada that heard and liked the anti-woke messaging. I don’t know how to bring these people around, and am frightened that there are so many of them. Over 40% of the popular vote.
Coming from a US citizen, Canada, get your people (more) educated. Idk the specifics and exact differences, for example whether or not higher education is publicly funded over there, but I’m talking about simply general awareness and enthusiasm to want to learn. Do like a PR campaign to equate being dumb and ignorant to hating hockey and maple syrup. Also moral education classes wouldn’t hurt (but you guys might be ahead of the US on that anyway).
… sorry?
What the fuck are you talking about dude?
Lol to prevent the creep of conservative fascism in future elections.
You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.
Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren’t serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there’s a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.
This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.
A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn’t half your paycheck.
The ‘rust belt’ is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.
The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it’ll be bought up and rented out before lunch.
Mark “100 million by 2100” Carney
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
That is the sad thing.
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
“Mark Carney” is the perfect name to demonstrate the Canadian “car” vowel. I am going to enjoy saying his name as Canadianly as possible.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
“if I’m not mistaken”
That’s how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn’t sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau’s hand on that question.
but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america’s path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They’re a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you’ll realize that the Canadian party isn’t so bad
Using “well at least it’s not as bad in America” in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if the they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point.
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
