Reposted from c/politics since it violated their rule about needing to have a link:
Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I’m thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.
Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.
You can easily keep Wikipedia around - burn it on archive BDs(M-Disc), they are easily hidden, can take the whole Wikipedia in one disk and basic information is extremely valuable in an oppressive regime. Then do the same for a collection of E-Books based on what is most likely to be banned/what the right wing does take the biggest offence on. And what aids you the most in either getting out or resist.
Using archive BDs(M-Discs) is important as regular storage devices can easily be detected due to their metallic contents and they degrade within years. M-Discs are far more resilient and can be almost as easily hidden.
Damian Haglund’s website, it’s an exquisite piece of knowledge.
The fascist, directly into cold storage and left to bit-rot.
Joking aside, history. If you really think the internet will not be a thing yet want to survive: water purification. farming, water management, plant guides, waste technology (your bodily excretions have a lot of uses (from laundry to fertilizer) but also a number of risks), medicine, forestry, jointery, metalworking, mining, animal husbsnwdry, skinning, hunting, numeracy, literacy, leadership, etc. in roughly that order
If you’d like to support archival in general, consider donating to https://archive.org/ . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn’t hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.
Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.
They really should relocate to Europe.
Fuck, are we really becoming the last beacon of freedom and liberty?
One of the few left.
As always
The first half of the last century clearly says otherwise
Didn’t know Switzerland wasn’t a democracy… Or UK.
That was 90 years ago boomer
So… in the first half of the last century?
So always = recently
Germany would like a word…
The most Democratic of all.
I really hope you were being ironic
We will have to fight for it though. At this rate we will have to vote down chat control yearly for the next century, and Macron and Scholz are not infinitely better than the US dems either.
At least now, they see that immediate rearmament and asserting ourselves as an economic and geopolitic power is a necessity, even if our industry doesn’t feel like it and never wants to change.
Shure we have to fight it and I’m Damm well defending my freedom.
Shit, now I’m doubly worried about Archive staying online.
As @hollyberries pointed out, archive’s servers are on American soil, if there’s a federal ban on improper(“fake”) knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they’d just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse…
Probably they’d use obscenity laws. Or they might bring lawsuit after lawsuit, dmca after dmca, until it drains them of their funds.
The possibilities are endless.
I gotta get offline now. This morning hasn’t been too great for my mental health.
Or copyright.
Whether honest or not, copyright claims are a very powerful tool to take stuff down now, and fight about restoring it later.
He doesn’t have to. He can issue an executive order and within hours, a military regimen takes their data center.
I’m hopeful that the archivists were looking to transfer their servers elsewhere (if they could while in the middle of that lawsuit).
If not it will likely be gone. :/
And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it’s impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it’ll last longer than digital media storage.
Another thing to consider:
If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.Digital data stored right is extremely non-volatile - but it takes an effort to do so,but the same goes for printing out terabytes.
And digital data can be hidden far easier.
Depends on what medium it’s on. Some are far better than others, so as a generalisation I said what I said. A majority of folk these days, when they think digital media storage, think solid state. Which is, in fact, not suited for long term storage. A piece of paper stored correctly is going to outlast a usb drive, SD card or SSD.
Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.
Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can’t get all of us if a bunch of us do this.
It’s all hypothetical for now. But with control of the house and senate, there’s not a single thing actually stopping them as long as the rank and file of the GOP stay in line and push everything through. Hopefully there’s enough liberal and further left inclined “Well organised militias” to fight back against anything super fashy…
Good argument for encryption and servers within a privacy respecting country
Yeah, not sure what the actual options are, but hopefully they get it sorted.
Somebody needs to fix IPFS so we can archive all that shit and share in hosting a chunk.
For a while now I’ve wanted to start a project of shit politicians say. Video as much as possible. Every shitty immoral reprehensible thing that they come out and say and do logged into a searchable archive. Make it super easy for regular people to stitch together anti-political ads using the politicians own words with context.
Why? More than 50% of US voters just elected a convicted felon and rapist. Using the politicians’ utterances against them is not going to do anything.
Seriously! I just dont understand how so many people can just overlook this. Honestly they have openly approved it all. They never again have a right to expect justice for themselves, because they approved rampant criminal behavior in about the most formal way.
This is truly sickening. Clearly he can get away with anything just as he has always known. I just cannot figure it out. How can people do this? It truly makes me sure our species stands no chance.
Trump, so far, has fewer votes than he got in 2020*. The future sucks, but there is hope. Please vote, life is not a passive sport.
It’s not for now, it’s for our kids, or their kids, assuming we get some morals in a couple of generations.
Maybe a warning for future generations about what is apparently acceptable discourse now.
Best time to start this was before. But 2nd best time is now!
That would be awesome, I wish that had existed a few months ago.
I don’t think it would have mattered starting a few months ago he was very open with everything that he did and said. But media like that has a tendency to get buried over time and I want my kids and their kids to know exactly what the f*** happened
With the internet as it is it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see an information purge like nazi Germany. We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.
We should probably assume most things are hosted in the states and have ron desantis coming for them.
Depends on who’s in charge. 50%+ of the internet seems to be hosted by amazon and musk rules his little fiefdom. The call to be proactive isn’t unreasonable.
Hopefully they don’t go all “Great Firewall of the US” on us.
They put porn behind a government ID in most places. Expect it everywhere
We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.
As well as imprisoning of people spreading information and making art that the regime doesn’t like.
Your optimism about that is inspiring but one bad solar flare, some sea cables or a pissed off dictator/billionaire can shrink the world real quick. SneakerNETs anyone?
Are you aware of any non American efforts to archive the American internet?
I’m going to do a shameful plug here, but I have made a sharing protocol & implementation that can be used to store data safely and also to safely share this data.
It’s called Tenfingers
It’s working but it is still in its infancy, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Please do say what you think about it!
Lets keep the morale!
I poked around and couldn’t find a repo link. Can you point me to that?
Sure! Here it is:
Nice to know. I’m starting to think targeted groups will either use stuff like this or IPFS, or have to resort to Tor/I2P
Feel free to propagate the good word :-)
I’m up if someone/some group wants to know more about it, please do tell. For example it can replace IPFS and IMO it’s way easier to setup and use.
This looks really interesting, so if I have a folder on a computer and I have it setup to share, then any time something gets added to that folder then is it automatically updated for anyone with the link?
Also, where should people go to help, or find out how to help?
Thanks!
You have to manually update your folder (but that can obviously be automated) otherwise yes that’s it!
For more i formation, you can just follow the link in my post. I have also set up a community [email protected] but it is very empty at the moment.
Or just look for me, Valmond, and pop a question :-)
To help? I confess I’m a disaster for PR so I’m just doing my best, but if you’d set up a node that would really be helpful to iron out problems, and with feedback make the setup&usage simpler etc. For example, small files are shared “for free” (configurable) but if your folder is big (for example), then you need nodes in the network to want to share big things too.
You can obviously just put the links to bigger already shared data in the folder to make things smoother.
So trying it out and giving feedback would be fantastic!
Cheers
Valmond
Pack everything and leave
In reality we (the internet people) still have the stuff.
