For me the world policy is this
We don’t have to be dogmatic to be radical you know. Their is other way to oppose to capitalism and imperialism than to blindly believe in 50 years old theory that have be disproved since
50 years old theory that have be disproved since
Care to elaborate?
I’m referring to the idea that “Supporting the opposition of the main imperialist, in order to weaken the all system”, a position often simplified as “campist”. I’m not saying it was shaky, however as all the other political theories, the working class shall observe how it worked.
Their is a lot of academic and communist (mostly maoist and titoist, but not only) research to disprove this (see below), but what the point ? You may answer that this imperialist and bourgeois propaganda (which is partly true), and I will your sources are just others bourgeoisie propaganda.
So I would suggest to rely on self-organized working classes. Are they supported or not by the organization, states or union we talking about ? U.S, Nato, Russian federation, Europe, Ukraine, Israel, People’s Republic of China, all this state crush unions or collective that ask too much or are too independent. And what we see is that supporting those state or organization weaken the expression of a self-aware proletariat and enforce the tools of its repression. Even States at war have no issue to copy each other to do so. It seems that spreading armed and state conflicts just make the Military–industrial complex to grow, and strike population everywhere (but not with the same violence). The Military–industrial complex is not unique to the US; it’s something important in some European countries, others NATO State (i.e Turquey), or the USSR (at least in its last decade).
If you disagree, please, provide your sources
- Alvin Z. Rubinstein, “Soviet Imperialism in Afghanistan.”
- Arendt, Hannah “Totalitarian Imperialism: Reflections on the Hungarian Revolution”
- Velychenko, Stephen (2015). Painting Imperialism and Nationalism Red: The Ukrainian Marxist Critique of Russian Communist Rule in Ukraine
- The New Class: An Analysis of the Communist System
- “Family Resemblance”, Slavic Review
- Colonialism: An International Social, Cultural, and Political Encyclopedia
What 50 year old disproven theory are you referring to?
for ukraine supporters and soon to be moldovian supporters
I dunno, mate. Maybe I’m an idiot, but when Putin goes on TV and says a bunch of overtly nazi shit like how LGBT rights is pure satanism, I just can’t help believe that maybe I shouldn’t be on their side.
What about when Ukrainian is are using overt Nazi symbols?
I want to outline what just happened here.
Someone posted a meme making fun of people saying two things can be bad, implying one side (Russia) isn’t really bad. Someone replies that the overt nazi stuff putin says is pretty bad.
You reply with whatabout Ukraine nazis.
Either you are agreeing with the point that two things can be bad at the same time, or saying that one side doing nazi stuff is fine, actually because the other side does as well. Which is it?
I want to outline what just happened here.
I want to engage in aggressive strawmanning*
I don’t doubt that the Ukrainian army is full nazis and fascists. I also don’t doubt that the Russian army is full of nazbols and fascists. Armies tend to attract those sorts.
I wouldn’t really know, but I would not imagine that Ukraine is a progressive country. Outside of the liberal enclaves of the bigger cities, I imagine it’s pretty bad actually. But here’s my surface level view.
Russia:
- has invaded a neighbouring sovereign country,
- puts people in prison for being openly gay,
- has banned legal and healthcare provision for trans people, and
- openly declares to the world stage that it is fighting a rearguard action against western degeneracy in favour of Christian family values. (Admittedly I do not speak Russian and I can’t speak to what is translated as degeneracy or satanism or what-have-you, but no one has credibly disputed that this is the essence of what Russian ministers are saying on camera.)
Ukraine:
- has not invaded any of its neighbours recently,
- has, on paper at least, legal protections for LGBT people, and
- is still signed up to the European Convention of Human Rights.
Regardless of the specific iconography that the less pleasant members of its citizenry choose to display their chuddery, one of the countries is prima facie more nazi than the other in its behaviour at this moment in time. And it’s going to take a lot more than “hurr durr imperialist propaganda” to convince me that it’s Ukraine, given those bare facts.
So much for “I just can’t help believe that maybe I shouldn’t be on their side” when it comes to Nazis…
Ukraine:
Has been engaged in ethnic cleansing since 2014
A pretty big one to leave out
They’re not invading Russia other than a small little portion a few years after the war started.
Those Nazi battalions would be far less defensible if Russia didn’t pose a credible military threat to Ukraine.
I would say that Nazis are always indefensible.
Yes we all know history started in 2022
Yes, we all know history ended in 1991
I was very clearly (I felt) referencing the context from 1990-2022 that you had left out of your caping for and downplaying of the Nazis in Ukraine.
Imagine thinking it’s bad to be anti-war.
It’s not bad being anti-war, but easy to being instrumentalized when not understanding the full context or even normalizing the dismissal of parts of it as enemy propaganda. It makes you naive
You need a lot of justify the loss of life these wars cause. Putting aside whether they’re justified or not, neither of them meet that threshold.
Genuine question, but has there ever been a war where the expansionist was justified?
Genuine question, but has there ever been a war where the expansionist was justified?
No, and NATO expansion is being the root cause here
History shows that wars are divided into two kinds, just and unjust. All wars that are progressive are just, and all wars that impede progress are unjust. We Communists oppose all unjust wars that impede progress, but we do not oppose progressive, just wars. Not only do we Communists not oppose just wars; we actively participate in them. As for unjust wars, World War I is an instance in which both sides fought for imperialist interests; therefore, the Communists of the whole world firmly opposed that war. The way to oppose a war of this kind is to do everything possible to prevent it before it breaks out and, once it breaks out, to oppose war with war, to oppose unjust war with just war, whenever possible.
–Quotations from Chairman Mao ZeDong Chapter 5 War and Peace
you know oppressed people stop being oppressed because of war right?
Or, war itself is a tool of oppression.
This mf thinks it was oppressive to end slavery in the US
This is just an expansion on “violence is inherently bad” which as an anarchist I hope isn’t something you believe
Violence is inherently harmful.
Some people and institutions do deserve to be harmed. Those people and institutions are almost never who actually gets harmed in war. War sucks.
do you know what’s harmful? capitalism. i’d suffer every pain for the world to achieve socialism. yes, you might not believe it, having a comfortable life in the global north, but there are people willing to be harmed to achieve liberation.
So would you oppose a war of liberation, such as the Vietnamese fought against Japan, France and America?
No, not really.
But neither of the wars mentioned in this ‘infographic’ are wars of liberation.
So you lied when you said war is a tool of oppression and you oppose all war
But neither of the wars mentioned in this ‘infographic’ are wars of liberation.
“The Palestinian struggle against the Israeli settler colonialists is not a war of liberation actually”
You might possibly be the least intelligent person I’ve ever seen.
2nd time I’ve had to post this today:
Red Phoenix - Pacifism - How to do the enemy’s job for them. Youtube Audiobook
I ain’t got time for a whole damn audiobook. If you want to make a pro-war argument, make it yourself.
People ain’t got time for reading and educating themselves, but have enough confidence to spew ignorant comments.
Its about ~30m read.
imagine thinking capitalists will just decide they are rich enough and give you everything for free.
And you’re going to fix this by having one capitalist country blow people up in another capitalist country?
vassals blowing up the emperor, yes. that’s how it usually works.
You must be seeing some very different wars than the ones I’ve seen.
In the wars I’ve seen, ‘emperors’ are rarely blown up, but vassals getting blown up is extremely common.
hence why we root for them when they are winning.
In the wars I’ve seen, ‘emperors’ are rarely blown up, but vassals getting blown up is extremely common.
e g. Ukraine
Every goddamn war ever.
For little kids is fine.
No actually is not fine either, it’s better for kids to understand reality.
really cool “giving an award to myself” infograph
sorry if we’re correct.
