Before we go too hard into the “um, actually” responses, this was pretty obviously a reaction to Hegseth’s “prayer for violence.”
I’ll take any sort of help we can get against that idiot and his gang of idiots’ illegal war.
Religion can be fine. It is and always has been the idiots who ruin shit, just like with everything. I have churches around me that help the community, are open to all sorts of people. So the leader of one of the largest churches finally doing what he can to denounce nonsense is a step in the right direction for sure.
Unfortunately, the idiots will most certainly be heard.
Every US president in the last 35 years has bombed the middle east.
Sad-funny part is that it was in the name of “bringing the armageddon” alongside money.
There was decades of propoganda calling all forms of self-defense “just religious extremism” and we find out it was mostly projection.
That only takes us to 1991.
Reagan bombed Libya, and IIUC, Carter tried a rescue mission in Iran.
I’ll give the orange moron an hour or two to produce an all caps posting on his sewer of a platform, calling Leo a “Fake Pope”, claiming the papal election was ‘rigged’ and threatening to bomb the Vatican unless they offer him the papacy.
I love you Leo but these leaders couldn’t care less about god. Perhaps a better twist would “Leaders who wage wars are antichrists on Earth”?
The leaders don’t care but a lot of the people who voted for them allegedly do.
allegedly
That word is doing a lot of work.
yea that why I think it is more to the point to equate them with antichrist (or atleast their cult if we wanna give it a lovecraftian twist) rather than just someone whose prayers don’t get accepted. Leo is a playa, he should know this.
These guys may not care about God, but they sure do invoke him a lot. Hegseth and other commanders are catching a LOT of complaints from officers and troops about the constant barrage of religious rhetoric coming from the top. And Israel and Iran are doing everything they’re doing in the name of the same God as us.
So it’s good that Pope Leo is speaking out directly against those hypocrites. I don’t believe in any of that hogwash, but Pope Leo has a lot more credibility as a man of God than any of those other psychopaths.
Dunno, Hegseth mentions a lot of God in his speeches about this war
God also rejects prayers of child molesters, Leo.
[] Leo said. "He revealed the gentle face of God, who always rejects violence.
I think my Bible might be faulty
The Israelites were YAHWEH’s special people, so when they are oppressed it’s bad, but they are obligated to genocide anyone that stands in their way. Even babies and animals.
This should sound familiar even you have never read a line of a Bible or Torah.
No no no. That was the Old Testament which doesn’t count anymore.
The New Testament is the one that we care about (except we’ve we don’t)
Because God’s absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense.
I mean, that’s not wild on it’s face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships.
I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers).
Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day.
And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again.
It makes sense historically
New Testament Jesus comes back from the dead and murders everybody on earth who won’t bow to Him.
You’re describing Revelations Jesus. And by the time he finally shows up, all the killing’s been done by the Fake Jesus that’s tricked legions of people into damnation.
This is also the only Gnostic text that made it into the canonical texts. If you get into the actual Gnostic beliefs about Jesus, you’re on a rollercoast ride of spiritualist philosophy bordering on the Sci-Fi. Alternate dimensions, shared souls, astral projection, just all sorts of weird goofy shit that the Council of Nicea cut from the program.
Revelations is, at its heart, a story of how Rome and its pagans will all eventually get what’s coming to them. That the Christians-Who-Are-Doing-It-Wrong will get what’s coming to them. That the Jews will get what’s coming to them. It is a story wildly out of line with the prior books, but one that resonated strongly with the post-Constantine neo-Christian order.
Ok based af of him
Also I’m wondering what the bets are like on how long it takes Vance to kill him
He probably knows better than to shake hands with Vance, curse or not.
“If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.” – Psalm 66:18
“Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.” – Isaiah 59:1-2
“If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination.” – Proverbs 28:9
"When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil. – Isaiah 1:15-16
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” – 1 Peter 3:12
Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. – Proverbs 21:13
“The Lord is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.” – Proverbs 15:29
He’s got a pretty solid basis for that claim.
If those Evangicals could read they’d be very upset.
The Evangelicals Creed
“I believe in God, the Father Almighty maker of heaven and Earth. And in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, never did or said anything important, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried…”
PSALM 140
1 Deliver me, O Lord, from evil men; Preserve me from violent men, 2 Who plan evil things in their hearts; They continually gather together for war. 3 They sharpen their tongues like a serpent; The poison of asps is under their lips. Selah
4 Keep me, O Lord, from the hands of the wicked; Preserve me from violent men, Who have purposed to make my steps stumble. 5 The proud have hidden a snare for me, and cords; They have spread a net by the wayside; They have set traps for me. Selah
6 I said to the Lord: “You are my God; Hear the voice of my supplications, O Lord. 7 O God the Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have [a]covered my head in the day of battle. 8 Do not grant, O Lord, the desires of the wicked; Do not further his wicked scheme, Lest they be exalted. Selah
9 “As for the head of those who surround me, Let the evil of their lips cover them; 10 Let burning coals fall upon them; Let them be cast into the fire, Into deep pits, that they rise not up again. 11 Let not a slanderer be established in the earth; Let evil hunt the violent man to overthrow him.”
12 I know that the Lord will maintain The cause of the afflicted, And justice for the poor. 13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks to Your name; The upright shall dwell in Your presence
Sounds like the opposite might be true, and it’s OK to pray for the death of evil men.
This just shows that the bible isn’t a coherent story. On many topics it is near impossible to say what position the bible takes, because it was writen by different men in different times with different agendas. Often, as in the present case, positions contradict each other.
Every denomination of christiantv is negotiating with the bible and chooses what to leave out, what to include and what to interpret how. This is driven by their specific dogmas, that are often post biblical.
This just shows that the bible isn’t a coherent story.
The Gospels don’t even agree on basic details.
“One of his disciples, the one whom Jesus loved (AKA me), was reclining at his side.”
– The Gospel According to John
None of the gospels are thought to even claim to be by an apostle. John was just a common name
Sounds like I need to start praying for Pete Hegseth…
Lol American Catholics don’t listen to the pope
To a degree. When he visits the States, that shit gets wall to wall coverage. It’s pathetic.
The only good thing they ever did
It’s good that they go to Protestant mega churches with AI Kirk instead.
This comment is entirely clueless to the nature of the American Catholics. The US would be in a much more neutral political position if the American Catholics actually followed the pope’s lead.
He’s allegedly omniscient and omnipotent, so he must be okay with the needless death and suffering.
Where is he getting that information, exactly? Can this be independently verified?
Big f—ing /s on this one…
so does that mean Catholic teaching changes over time ? Because to my knowledge, the crusader were motivated by the Pope speeches !
Kind of yeah, one of the reasons for the pope existing. That’s why they keep doing the whole voting thing
I still don’t understand how you can elect a holy man. All i can think of is Moses creating campaign ads
Not catholic myself so take it with a bucket of salt, but i always figured it was because it was all the holy dudes doing the voting. Sacred by osmosis or something
College of Cardinals gather to vote on who replaces the Pope. No one over 80 is allowed to vote.
Lmfao bring this age restriction everywhere else
So voting puts you in the wrong mindset. Think of it more as consensus decision making of a group of bishops who have the special honor of being the ones who get to vote on this (that’s the only official difference between a regular bishop and a cardinal), but with everyone secluded to prevent campaigning or discussing their votes.
Theologically this is supposed to ensure that everyone ignores politics and spends the days praying to try to figure out who their god wants.
Practically this does what good consensus aims to do and generally gets someone everyone can live with. Francis was generally seen as pretty radical, but everyone seemed to understand that Benedict had gone very poorly and that the church needed increased modernization and appeals to the international community. The fear last year was that a far right cardinal would be chosen to try to halt the rising schism in the church, but instead Leo was chosen as someone who had been in Francis’s camp but was seen as more moderate.
And yeah, because of the isolation at conclave they’re supposed to be incapable of campaigning. In reality, as the pope gets older and sicker you start seeing increased campaigning from cardinals and by the time the pope dies it’s known who the main candidates are. Upsets can still happen, especially if the main candidates are all unacceptable to another faction, but we knew Leo was a possibility when Francis died.
It does, and will continue to do so.
The bishops responsible for ejecting the Pope are likely aware of this, and is by in large why Leo was chosen. The church really doesn’t get to set the cultural trend as much as nudge it in a particular direction. It’s the bumpers in a bowling alley, not the ball.
People are going to find something they don’t like,then seek justification for not liking it.
Two dudes fuckin, ew! I would never do that that’s so gross. Oh look, here’s this passage in this book I like saying that’s actually evil! Hell yeah!
When it looks like ‘Christians’ cherry pick passages to support whatever nonsense they’re on about, that’s because they are, always have done so and always will. Because the nonsense was always more important to them than the Bible. It just so happens that the Bible says a lot of shit that’s very easy to take out of context to support whatever nonsense you want.
The Pope is reading the room, and providing justification. Or rather, the Cardinals elected a Pope that aligns with the current climate and he’s just saying whatever
God tells him tocomes to mind. He might swing a few people but if he pushes too hard what he’ll just alienate some Catholics and they might break off and do their own thing, again.I think you meant to say ‘electing the pope’ instead of ‘ejecting the pope’?
I did. But ejecting the Pope is a funny image so it stays.
I move to install an ejection seat in the Popemobile.
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Yes, it does.
As I recall, only the first Crusade was endorsed by a Pope. And no, the teachings don’t change, though the way things are phrased varies based on culture.
To keep it short: yes. That’s the point of a pope and a church.
Remember the ban on ranged weaponry?
Fictional characters don’t matter
What are you talking about?
… Leo isn’t fictional.
The pope is a hoax and always has been
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Pope of Catholicism.
Being an American and a good Christian is contradictory. Look at how it started in America, forced conversions of native American children and that was just of what we know of it, at least here in America.
Being an American and a good person is contradictory, what with the numerous genocides throughout her history and all, that being one of them.
I get what you’re saying but it’s hard to lay blame on a modern person for some shit a related group of people did 150 years ago. That’s like saying it’s impossible to be Irish and a good Catholic, what with the child slavery prisons, which are far more recent. Or that is impossible to be a Muslim and a good person, what with the things other Muslims have done in the name of God.
You’re responsible for you. Other people are responsible for themselves. Unless you happen to believe that every person is responsible for the sins of his father. Which, weirdly enough the Catholic Church does, but didn’t happen to be involved in that particular genocide.
Also, counterpoint, Mr Rogers. American, Christian, good person. Or Jimmy Carter.
It’s almost like putting general groups of people into stereotypical categories makes it easy to hate and blame and keep us divided.
I wonder who stands to benefit the most from that.
In a manner of speaking, this is correct. A Christian’s home is in Heaven, they simply travel here as immigrants.
That’s just original sin talk. Also, Leo is American. For an American to be a good Christian takes extra work, “it’s not my fault but it is my responsibility” and whatnot, but I’ve met Americans who are good Christians, and yeah they’re involved in attempting to right the wrongs that can be righted here
good Christian
Those 2 words are not synonyms, despite how often people pretend they are.
Congrats on the dumbest thing I’ve read today, and I’ve read quotes from Trump today!
“Based on where you are born, you can’t be a good person.” That’s literally what you are saying.
You: “Being Chinese and a good driver is contradictory.”
You: “Being African and a smart student is contradictory.”
US Christian’s don’t give a fuck about the pope. Probably most aren’t Catholic anyway. And even some of US Catholics (likely in the south and midwest) don’t give a fuck what the pope says either.
I think he knows being from the US himself…
The more entrenched conservative US christians would undoubtedly dismiss the pope’s message, but those who are less affiliated might give it some thought.
There’s an evolving strain of US Catholicism, exemplified by weirdos like JD Vance, who like the aesthetic of Catholicism (especially the Deus Vult thing) without really caring about any of the actual Catholic beliefs. It’s more like they have a childish misunderstanding of Catholicism as just being a more serious Christian. Which is not uncommon a misunderstanding in the south/Midwest, oddly enough - the desire for fundies to create a coalition to fight abortion in the 70’s/80’s really ended a lot of the more typical anti-Catholicism of the south.
Similar to the “American Orthodox,” which is the same idea with more of a Russian flavor.
Yeah I’ve noticed this. A lot more “Deus Vult” while also saying “the pope is a communist and the church is a lie”
There’s also an obsession with the Battle of Tours. “Catholic” to them is more the idea of white heritage.
American Protestantism was a huge mistake
I think wha you meant to say is that American conservatism was a mistake. Not like Luther had any idea when was nailing his 99 thesis’s to the door that centuries later American conservatives would be so unscrupulous that they would weaponize the ignorance of the congregations to build an unholy malicious political coalition.
Tbf a lot of that kind of started in England and the Netherlands. But those countries put an end to it real fast, so they went to the US.
