The winning message for a Democrat:

I will be your revenge. I will burn the Republican’s criminal empire to the ground. It won’t undo their crimes, but I will make them suffer.

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    Not sure what the article says because, paywall. But, given the thumbnail, I just want to make sure people understand that Shapiro represents the entire opposite of Democrats actually doing anything about fascism. Shapiro is a fascist collaborator, both in terms of his work for Israel, and domestic policy. He’s essentially a Republican, that is to say, a fascist.

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    What they are describing is not a Democratic president. It’s an independent candidate running on the Democratic ticket.

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    The 28th Amendment better be that the name Donald J Trump or Trump shall be striken from existing and never to appear on any public and government buildings and facilities hereafter.

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    I just read that Kamala Harris might be in the 2028 election. The very same one that couldn’t mention anything bad with the US because ir might upset someone. The very same one that sidelined her popular VP pick to campaign with republicans and celebrities. The very same one that never won a presidential primary.

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    Trust me bro we will vote harder and defeat fascism bro, this time it will work bro, this democrat candidate wont shift to right for votes bro please bro, only republicans are the problem bro

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    The only way this will happen is by stealth. That is, a candidate that is mainstreem and moderate and has no history of being progressive or ethical, changes their stripes after they get elected. Any candidate who identifies themselves as somebody who will hold the GOP to account or has a history of trying to do so, will mysteriously never get anywhere near the Dem nomination no matter how popular they are. (cf any honest look back at how Bernie Sanders had the Dem nomination stolen from him both times by chicanery and backroom dealing by the corporatist Dems)

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      Also probably rich enough that he or she doesn’t really need to worry about campaign financing. The last time we had that was with FDR. The elites learned from that experience and have bankrolled and enabled FDR’s antithesis: Trump.

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    I hope she says just enough to get elected then ignores the legislative process like her predicessor and issues non stop EOs ending tax exempt for religious institutions, busting trusts, and sending 90% of the sitting Congress, ICE the DOJ, DHS, FBI to the the Hague to answer for crimes against humanity. And that’s just my day one dream EOs.

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      I’ve frequently said since the new regime took power that this would all be funny if I thought for a second that any following blue faction president would have the balls to use this new authoritarianism in a way that would be helpful like, idk, state seizure of banks convicted of wrongdoing or any of the things you mentioned. The problem is that they are predominantly the same bootlickers as their red faction brethren, with slightly better optics. When Americans recognize that there’s actually only one party—the corporate party— perhaps things will change.

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    Never underestimate a Democrat’s ability to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory.

    I’m not holding my breath for actual reform… we need a Democrat to win not because of what they’ll bring to the table, but to keep the Nazis off of it long enough to sift through the ashes of our nation and start piecing together the bits that still function after Trump.

    That’s more of a bandaid than anything else… what we actually need is things like ranked choice voting, term limits, and guillotines.

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    Looking Forward, Not Backward was the original sin of the Obama administration.

    Precisely. We were all hyped up hoping for change, and this would have been a massive one. Instead we got 8 more years of war, RomneyCare with no public option, and continued expansion of executive overreach including extrajudicial killings. Such a disappointing continuation of the status quo, and there are blue maga out there who pretend like it was the greatest presidency of our lifetimes for some reason.

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      there are blue maga out there who pretend like it was the greatest presidency of our lifetimes for some reason.

      As a older millennial, I think it actually was the greatest presidency of my lifetime… As fucked as that is. Maybe Clinton was better but I was too young to have been paying attention.

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        The first Clinton presidency was the last time I voted for president because I voted for him and about a year in thought, ‘how the fuck is this guy not a republican?’ exactly like I did once Obama took over.

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        I think they’re going for saying it like it’s a big accomplishment rather than a sign of how terrible our presidents have been. Yeah he cleared the bar but it’s so low and it was barely cleared so is it really that much of a brag

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      Yeah… if Obama isn’t the greatest president of my lifetime (I was born during Reagan), then who was?

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      It was the greatest Presidency of our lifetimes. Think about the others since Nixon…

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      And if you’re expecting that things would change with just a President then you’re one of the George Carlin Americans too.

      Dude, I’m not saying that Obama was a progressive stalwart but if you’re going to complain about RomenyCare+ being the only option without a public option then you need to read up on how that was thwarted by moderate Democrats. You want there to not be a repeat then you’ve got to get your ass up and moving in the primaries to get these “moderate” neoliberal conservatives out of the party.

      Ain’t no point in a merciless Progressive President if you’ve got your party stabbing you in the back every chance they get.

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        I dunno. Compared to every other president we’ve had since Kennedy, he’s about the best we’ve ever had for about a generation. I mean, he did get Osama. I mean, yeah, he wasn’t a “get us to the moon” or a “defeating Hitler” president, but he was good for what he accomplished. Yeah, ObamaCare should have been better, but compare it with the market beforehand: hhhuuugggeee Medicaid expansion, coverage for pre-existing conditions, and a simple, easy-to-use market. It could have been Medicare for All, yes. But Republicans, Big Donors, and the corporate Dems would never have allowed it.

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          Wow. I would say that measured in an absolute or direct sense (and not compared to or relative to their peers at the time), Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, H.W, Bush, and Clinton were all more “progressive” and less beholden to their corporate masters than was Obama the fraud. Perhaps you could say that about any politician from the 70s, 80s, or 90s compared to any from 2008 - 2016. The Obama revisionism is just so sad.

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      Were you expecting a black man, surrounded by a historical establishment he had to fight his way into, to just get up ended cause he wanted to? He was badgered from all fronts, included by fools who talk like you.

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    There needs to be a revolution within the Democratic party, today. Not in a week or a month, today. We’re not able to oppose fascism because the fascists are fucking clever or strong or smart: We’re not able to oppose fascism because the Democratic leadership dont’ want to.

    If we don’t replace Schumers and Jeffereies, its cooked. It wont matter. No circle jerking about November going to help. We need war-time leadership in the DNC now. Alas, Babylon. They need to start acting like a government in absentia, because they already are one.

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    They won’t do shit. Just like always, they’re gonna waste four years maintaining the status quo then cry into their hands when the fascists take control after they’ve done nothing to address the material conditions of Americans.

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    Hey guys, you know you can make more than two options, right? I feel like the real democrats who actually work for the betterment of the country, not themselves, would have a fighting chance by banding together and separating themselves from the rest of the democratic leeches.

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    They will be… to brown and black people all over the world. Same as they always have been.

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    I expect more the same, in their eyes they are winning and no one is telling them any different

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    Newsom is the only one who is standing up in a meaningful way, so I think he’s the only one qualified to give a chance to. The rest of them can suck eggs.

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      I think the Justice Dems (AOC, Corey Bush, Illhan Omar, Bernie Sanders, and the like) are doing a fantastic job.

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        They are doing a fantastic job (at least relatively speaking)…and will consequently never get anywhere near the Dem nomination for President in 2028.

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              Yeah he’s got a good Twitter PR person, that’s all it takes!.. please no one watch how he interacts/agrees with/concedes with Republican operatives on his podcast

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              In all seriousness, that does appear to to be major motivating factor for many of our voters. …cuz most of us are fucking morons. -_-

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              In truth, this might be why I see more Newsom, I am an American but I live outside the country and don’t watch US TV news or read US print news. So mostly what I see is from European sources or social media/youtube.