And we’re just going to continue to pretend that Republicans don’t exist. Because only the Democrats get judged around here.
OP apparently doesn’t know what gaslighting means.
It is not the job of the party to appeal to the people. But the job of the people to subjugate themselves to the party.
I wonder what would happen if Harris wanted to win against Trump more than she wanted to support genocide?
Thank goodness for orgs like PSL.
inb4 someone calls you a russian bot
The kesser evil, alas choosing the lesser evil is still choosing evil
It actually isn’t. When you closing 3rd option/inaction predictably leads to the empowerment of the greatest evil, you have actually chosen the greatest evil.
A legitimate attempt to minimize harm from your given choices isn’t choosing evil at all.
You have enabled genocide, the ultimate evil, and you act surprised that you’ve opened Pandora’s Box and now the Box is open.
Naw I dont think so.
Think whatever you want, an Israeli-trained federal death squad will be along to correct you shortly
For real. Who should I have voted for to stop this nightmare?
-PSL
-Organize with your neighborhood and city to form mutual aid networks capable of resisting coercion (like we were always going to be forced to do anyway)
-Failing that, make literally any demands of the blue fascist party whose endless imperial dipshittery you slavishly indulged at every turn. Use any fucking leverage at all instead of showing your belly preemptively.
-Failing all else, simply do not set the precedent that a candidate can run on the wholesale fascist extermination of an entire people and still receive your support. Simply do not throw 2 million human beings into the jaws of death as a matter of cowardice and taint yourself forever as a collaborator of Holocaust 2. Its actually super easy not to do that.
That ship has sailed now, and nobody is going to want you in their antifascist organization now that you’ve loudly declared your willingness to sell out the vulnerable. I think at this point you should probably just like, crawl under a rock and never come out.
Uh yeah im not concerned with being a part of an imaginary group. The Lemmy desire to make believe that someone saying they dont vote for the violent dictator and are wanting to vote to make their party align with their values is the same as someone supporting genocide is stupid.
This is why its such an ineffective argument. It makes you sound completely out of touch with reality. It reminds me of the various factions at the beginning of “The Life of Brian.”
Why would participating in the electoral theater change anything except increase the mass media’s view counts?
So you’re just bitching on the internet to bitch. Okay.
Trump has done more to destroy the US hegemony than Democrats ever did. Going as far to threated to invade Greenland and destoy NATO.
The lesser evil analogy only works if you don’t see victims of US imperialism as humans.
Or if its your only option. Demonizing people for not being woke enough is what led to the polarization of the radical right to begin with.
No, the radical right rose because imperialism has been declining and right-wing populism has risen in reaction to it. Voting for the DNC is not your only option, you can organize, and vote third party.
I dont feel like organizing or throwing my vote away. I dont have time for that. I’ll vote for ranked choice voting if I ever get the chance to though so the system can open up a bit.
Least privileged genocide apologist
Making up more arguments to mock? You’re a riot.
If you’re not willing to do the bare minimum to enact meaningful change, ie organizing, then your vote isn’t worth anything to begin with. Ranked Choice voting will not fall on your lap, nor will it meaningfully change anything even if it did without organizing.
Its worth just as much as yours and every other American citizens.
I dont feel like organizing
“…therefore i must support genocide! There was nothing else I could do, I didn’t feel like it!”
Get a cyanide pill ready for Nuremburg 2 buddy
Naw I think I’ll be fine. Get a grip on reality pal. It really isn’t the argument you’re pretending it is.
As a long term strategy, or individual choice, this kind of logic leads to bad outcomes regardless as the lesser evil doesn’t move a finger to improve things, which means the greater evil will win eventually regardless.
Furthermore, both parties are utterly despicable with their foreign policy, constantly participating in coups, invasions, economic warfare, bombing, and more, all while pretending to be doing it for a GOOD reason.
I believe the obvious solution is to get organized collectively and make democratic choices on short term actions (such as supporting the lesser evil) while simultaneously doing real stuff to combat against both, through learning and educating, protecting civilians, practicing mutual aid, fighting landlords and corporations with unions, etc. As it stands, intellectuals platformed by the same elites constantly argue about voting the lesser evil and little else, as threatening the system would go against the interests of those who own the media platforming them. So I’m not saying don’t vote blue in a swing state or whatever else, all I’m saying is that our political involvement can’t start and end there, because people are dying.
Yup primaries are where you can shape your party and hopefully arent choosing between a Nazi and a different flavored genocide. Do what you can with what you can.
Unless you “don’t feel like it” though, right?
Exactly right. Of course I can do that from home, so its easier.
The working class has no leverage over the DNC or GOP through voting. The working class needs to organize.
Okay. It sure felt like the republican working class leveraged their vote effectively.
The GOP isn’t a working class party.
And yet, that is a huge part of their voting base. There just aren’t enough rich people to be a functional voting block. They may have been tricked but they are voting GOP. That’s reality. Denying it loses elections.
It’s not enough to be against something. You have to be offering something as well. People need a vision to believe in.
The ‘vision to believe in’ won’t be televised.
The anti-ICE organizers have been articulating clear visions all along for those who seek them out, but the corporate media and their algorithms keep centering Dems, abetting their efforts to co-opt the movement.
You can go back to brunch now. You’re welcome.
America needs a change in the political system. However, I have no idea of American law and whether that is even possible with the current constitution. If it is, both parties have not shown any effort to democratize the country by allowing smaller parties to participate, but protected their asses. If that’s the case, enough pressure is needed to push for change.
The idea of “democracy” is that all power comes from the people. I don’t see that in America.
Why would both parties change a system where both of them have 50% chance to rule? American democracy is ran by billionaires to benefit billionaires
… both parties have not shown any effort to democratize the country by allowing smaller parties to participate
the democrats usually use the law to keep smaller parties off of the ballot legally to prevent smaller parties from participating.
the republicans also do it, but it’s exceptionally rare and so understood that; effectively speaking; it’s the democrats who do it.
Never been a better time for a revolution. Just vote for someone that’ll create a better voting system, proportional voting like Australia so that it’s not this horrible two party bullshit
Never been a better time for a revolution. Just vote
I hope this is a bit
In either case, it’s such a great bit.
Well what else are Americans gonna do? It doesn’t matter how bad you treat them, they just keep rolling over. They haven’t increased the minimum wage there for over a decade and people just don’t care.
People do care, but the state doesn’t reflect the will of the people, but the will of the ruling class. In the US Empire, that’s the capitalist class. People will not get change by voting, but by organizinf.
Any reason not to do both? Democrats are bad, but Republicans are obviously worse.
The barrel of the gun is “worse” than the chamber. Both are part of the same weapon, pointed at the same people.
If people actually organize, I don’t care if they vote or not. If someone’s only political engagement is via voting, then they’re doing little to nothing.
If Americans didn’t have to compete against illicit labor they would have more bargaining power. Companies would keep illicit labor even if the minimum wage was raised because it’s a class of people willing to endure immense hardship whilst never complaining.
I was told there wasn’t going to be any purity tests.
I was told there werent going to be any more genocides.
If you think “not invading other countries for oil” or “not doing ethnic cleansing of immigrants” are purity tests I don’t know what to tell you.
Famous words by Ea Nassir
Famously controversial purity tests such as being anti-gestapo, maybe even anti-genocide
You’re more impure than pure if you fail this one.
