The strong will always rule over the weak.

Money is a tool to make you stronger. Strength is a means to imposing your will on the world around you.

Somehow, the [weak] never develop enough [strength] to take that zero sum game to the [strong].

Exactly what I was saying.

You are really beating up that strawman. He doesn’t stand a chance.

Cop out

Then by OPs logic it would follow that the oppressed are only in that position because they are weak. (e.g. not temporarily disenfranchised revolutionaries) If they were “strong” they would be in the oppressors position.

I agree with you. Having the power to exert your will is what politics boils down to in this earthly life. Everything else is BS.

That’s possible with a confederate structure like the EU which maintains certain human rights standards while respecting sovereignty to a degree. Obviously if states were totally sovereign they could do whatever they want unless they were faced with undue external force from other countries (e.g. states).

Yeah but if it’s a universal truth then it transcends all categories. The stronger nation topples the weaker while the bully dominates others in the schoolyard. Therefore any semblance of egalitarianism or equality is artificial and sustained only by the threat of force. This force only exists if there are enough intelligent and strong people in the society that also agree to the social contract in enough numbers that it won’t collapse or be conquered by an outside force. (e.g. Brute force is all that matters)

Do you like having a job and a place to live? That’s why.

This point is often dismissed but the United States really does need “a divorce”. At least a return to pre-civil war state sovereignty where incompatible ideologies can each find their home.

Whether you mean it or not you’re basically saying that the only order is the order of the strong over the weak.

One can only hope

But I thought guns couldn’t be used to fight the government and gun owners are stupid.

There are too many self-interested factions with incompatible ideologies. I don’t think we’re entering into civil war or some collapse but the US will definitely enshittify at a steady pace for the rest of its existence as a nation-state.

Does your Dad know that you’re making epistemologically unjustified arguments on the internet?

I know what asserting without evidence means.

I never personally attacked you.

state my argument back at me to prove your faith, peasant

Ironically you tried to push this back in my face as if I’m some pedant when it’s the most pragmatic way to make sure we aren’t talking past one another. If you just said “I have no idea” it would have been a better response.

clearly triggering for you and difficult to discuss

I’ve had some great discussions in this thread and everyone is better for it. You haven’t bothered to even understand what I’m arguing though so this exchange is a waste of time.

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