• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    If only the working class across all nations had a defensive alliance. Oh you wanna go to war? General strike.

    Fuck these imaginary lines on a map. We are a divided and conquered species.

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    Nah. I wish, but until now Europeans have shown no backbone at all against Trump. When the USA take Greenland, the Danish and Greenlanders are gonna be alone, because that’s what happens between NATO members in conflict. The USA, of course, designed it like that.

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        The global south. NATO is the millitary alliance of the world’s imperialist powers, a destruction of millitary unity among imperialists would severely weaken imperialism. NATO is “defensive” in the same way the Iron Dome is, it gives imperialist countries free reign to treat the world like something to be looted and plundered without fear of genuine blowback.

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          I’m sure Ukraine, the Baltic trio and Poland agree with you.

          Edit: shit, so many opinions of me based on a less than 15 word comment. I’m sure y’all are fun at parties.

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            Considering they are aligned with the west, who plunder the world’s wealth through export of capital and unequal exchange, that’s not really surprising. Opposition to NATO is pretty basic among anti-imperialists and the global south in general.

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              God damn it, I hate my education system. I thought NATO was the peacekeeper of the world — a valuable residue of WWII. One sided propaganda-based education developed to fuel a belief in American exceptionalism and nationalistic egoism. This education-level propaganda is pretty effective because you don’t actually know what details to question, and so you grow up with some pretty bold assumptions about how the world works (and don’t even realize it). They had me believing Christopher Columbus was some kind of messiah-explorer too.

              How does this happen? My anti-conspiracy brain wants to believe there’s no such thing as an evil man behind the curtain, twisting his mustache and orchestrating these details like ”meh, we need to make sure all the kids believe in this propaganda such that we have an imperialistic society.” So, short of that, how does this happen so effectively?

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                2 major factors: In any given society, the mode of production is reinforced by the culture, laws, and ideology of said mode of production. Secondly, people license themselves to believe that whatever they think benefits them is good. Capitalism reinforces ideas like individualism, NATO is good, etc, and we go along with it until our material conditions force us into seeing a new reflection of reality, be it at the workplace, or seeing hard evidence online, being the victim of a bombing campaign, etc. It isn’t a man behind the curtain, but capital and the capitalist class.

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            Each one of these countries was in coalition of the willing, no? and zionist bootlicker extraordinaire as we can observe.

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            Nato is an imperialist alliance that was created to fight imperalist USSR. Many of the funding countries was still colonizing other countries when it was created. Nato also destroyed Lybia which is the clearest example of it not being just a defensive alliance. Nato also collaborate with Israel who hold the longest current occupation, again has nothing to do with Europe protection.

            The US could leave Nato today, attack a Nato country and Nato will do nothing about it

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              One major correction, the USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why the imperialists collaborated to oppose them. Their colonies were in danger of liberation due to the soviets aiding anti-imperialist movements.

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                If the USSR was anti-imperialist it wouldn’t have been involved in Afghanistan

                edit: Imperialism : a policy of extending a country’s power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

                It was imperialism since the goal was to spread socialism to other countries and I have no issues with socialism.

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              That’s a pretty difficult claim to support because it requires you to make some pretty insane assumptions about what would have happened without NATO.

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                It’s not difficult (except for Europeans and their settler counterpart) to understand that the world would be better off without NATO, your whiteness. “If it weren’t for NATO then it would’ve been anyone else!” isn’t the convincing claim you think it is. The burden of supporting such chickenshit non-claim is on you.

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    Does an invasion/attack by one NATO member trigger an Article 5 response against that country by the remainder of NATO?

    I am sure that this scenario has been imagined before (ahem Greece v. Turkey)

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      Unless countries like the UK and France are willing to deploy their militaries to fight US soldiers in Greenland, it doesn’t matter.

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        Which, indeed, could mean the end of NATO. If it becomes clear that the “alliance” is basically you following the provisions when it serves the US and nobody following them when it doesn’t, what’s the point of all this legalese?

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          Yep I think NATO is effectively dead already. We don’t need to wait for the Greenland annexation for that to be the case.

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        France is in no condition for any war, they could at most crackdown on tiny New Caledonia but have no strenght to do anything to Sahel states. UK military is in complete shambles. So not only they are unwilling to stand to USA but unable to.

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        The UK and France combined would have a problem if there was a single carrier parked in the North Atlantic. They might have a chance if all the US Carriers and subs were 2000 miles away.

        There is nothing anyone except the US can do about a US annexation of Greenland, short of Nuclear weapons.

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      That’s what it says. At least, it does not make an exception for that scenario.

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      This practice was banned already last year in January. If you think this is grounds to invade a sovereign nation then you’ve got some twisted world views. Maybe the US should be liberated from it’s oppressive anti-abortion, anti-trans government, hm? Sounds like the exact same argument to me. Every country has its problems. If you think invading is going to make anything better, then fuck right off.

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        Despite the ban, parenting competency tests are still being used by municipalities as evidence against Greenlandic parents at the National Social Appeals Board, Gjørret says. The Ministry of Social Affairs and Housing denies this, saying that “Since May 1, 2025, the National Social Appeals Board has not used standardised psychological tests for decisions on placement of a child from a Greenlandic family in care outside the home.”