Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn’t even work as a national ID.
But that’s what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
There have already been cases where ICE has disregarded Passports. They really don’t care what if you’re a citizen, so they don’t really care if you have proof of citizenship.
They don’t give a shit if you have proper ID or not, they JUST wanna punish brown people for not being white.
“This brown person has REAL ID, it must not work”
Then why did I just spend $85 to get this ID just to get on a fucking plane?
Because not having an ID is a crime. Having the ID just isn’t proof you didn’t commit a crime.
It’s a Heads-I-Win, Tails-You-Lose situation
These people are a joke.
Gotta be something worse to call them; jokes are usually funny. These people ain’t funny. Like clowns. 🤡
Are we sure Philip Lavoie is a citizen? Sounds French, let’s deport him to El Salvador.
I’m sure none of these assholes had to stand in line at the DMV with a stack of papers to get their REAL ID. Eat a bag of dicks. And of course this is coming from Alabama, can we just get rid of the fucking south already? I’m so done, they can have their BIble land or whatever, just leave the rest of us in peace.
So ridiculous since that was the whole fucking point.
To be fair, REAL ID was never meant to give citizenship. Its purpose is identity and lawful presence. I have friends here on visas. They’re obviously not citizens, but also they’re here legally and have REAL IDs.
For this same reason, people trying to say proof of citizenship to vote is no big deal because everyone has a REAL ID is full of shit in multiple ways.
* proof of citizenship or lawful presence. Which is supposed to be indicated on the card. Which is supposed to be validated by DHS.
One of the ways REAL ID doesn’t matter for voting is that putting a ballot in a box is only the very first step in counting a vote, and there are multiple checks whether it’s valid and from person that is allowed to vote afterwards. After several centuries of practice paper voting is pretty thoroughly stress tested. Even if most people have no idea how.
Where does it show citizenship? I think the part you quoted may mean “proof of citizenship or [other means of] lawful presence”
At least in my state, it explicitly means proof of citizenship. Permanent residents have a slightly different ID. The documents required to get one are what you would use to prove citizenship. Passport, birth certificate, etc. and it’s all verified by relevant agencies. That’s kind of the whole point.
Frankly even if they’re “just” lawfully present and that’s not differentiated on the ID, that should be enough reason for DHS to not detain them if any remotely reasonable policy were being followed instead of rounding up people based on skin color.
Is that slightly different ID not REAL compliant? If your state decided to make a citizenship determination when issuing some kind of ID, fine, but I don’t think that’s part of the requirements by DHS so I would still say the title is a bit misleading.
The slightly different ID is REAL ID, not just REAL compliant. It looks like it’s similar to how, in my country, driving licenses are coloured differently depending on whether you’ve passed your driving test; A learner’s provision driving license is green, and when you pass your test, you get a pink one.
Right, REAL is basically a set of compliance requirements for issuance. My point is that states can do their own thing for the most part regarding their identifications, like driving restrictions and documents that would, in theory, prove citizenship… If that were in the jurisdiction of the state government. It’s determined at the federal level, and while federal regulations determine REAL compliance, those same compliance requirements don’t require citizenship. So there is a gap to say REAL ID -> proof of citizenship
The ID contains more information than what is printed on the front. There’s a reason it’s digital.
There’s a barcode, if that’s what you mean. Do we know that’s a part of it? I know it’s scannable in stores when you buy alcohol so I can’t imagine its contents are a secret
In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
That’s not how the government sold Real ID to us when they created it. The whole point of Real ID was to provide an alternate way to confirm your citizenship and/or identity without requiring you to carrying your passport on you all the time.
Eat a bag of ducks and run the ID. Yes its not tied to citizenship. But legal status.
Anything to hurt immigrants under trump.
I have been unable to get a real id because when I was 8 my parents changed my name. Then when I lived in Maryland there refused to issue an ID using my now legal name. When I moved back to my home state of New Mexico my id used my birth name as it was on my Maryland id. Now I have half my stuff using my birth name, half using my legal name, cannot get a real id.
This year I plan to change my legal name back to my birth name… or maybe something totally different.
WTF?!?! The Real ID and US Passports do not mean shit in the USA. Fakes! Every single one of them
So, what can be used to confirm citizenship, DHS?
inb4 “nothing”
I think this is the only one the likes of Stephen Miller want to accept.
Doesn’t matter if your family has been here for generations…
Skin color. Sexual orientation. Gender. Mental health. Loyalty to an orange pedophile. Those are the only real way to know your citizenship status.
Let’s not forget political affiliation for tie breakers!
Melanin levels mostly
A proven record of donations to Trump.
